[__ Science __ ] What We Knew About the Woodpecker

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As we study God’s world, new scientific discoveries sometimes change what we thought we knew. Can we still explain these changes with our understanding of God’s design?

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[Barbarian]

There actually isn't such a bird as "the woodpecker." There are many different kinds of woodpeckers, each with their own adaptations, some with transitional forms of those with more advanced adaptations. Entire books have been written on how these adaptations have evolved, with most of them still existing in various species.

The evolution of terrestrial woodpeckers. American Museum novitates ; no. 2467

"Woodpeckers are very specialized for arboreal life. Despite their specializations for climbing, nesting, and foraging in trees, more than 12 species forage regularly on the ground and three are essentially terrestrial. Terrestriality has evolved as a secondary feature, and aspects of...

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Not all woodpeckers have zygotactyl toes. Not all of them have super long tongues. Not all of them excavate hard wood. And most of these adaptions have all sorts of transitional forms in different species.

 

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There are many different kinds of woodpeckers, each with their own adaptations, some with transitional forms of those with more advanced ada

How many taxonomic families of woodpeckers were there in 1980?
Then in 2000?
Then in 2024?

 

[Barbarian]

How many taxonomic families of woodpeckers were there in 1980?

True woodpeckers are placed in the subfamily Picinae. There are four other subfamilies of the Picidae, each of which has varying transitional characteristics of true woodpeckers.

An ancient member of the larger group has been discovered.

Woodpecker fossil from 200,000 years ago found in 'staggering' condition

The fossil was found preserved in rock in a stone quarry, and is now on display in a local museum.

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Seems related to the colaptes, which is a semi-woodpecker, with some, but not all the adaptations of the Picidae.

Seeing as AIG is willing to admit the evolution of new species and genera, I would think they'd be willing to grant the evolution of all those birds from a common ancestor, as well as the evolution of those adaptions found in the most evolved woodpeckers.

 

[KV-44-v1]

subfamily Picinae. There are four other subfamilies of the Picidae, each of which has varying transitional characteristics of true woodpeckers.

Ah, so its a SUB family, not a whole one.

 

[Barbarian]

Ah, so its a SUB family, not a whole one.

Yep. So all those adaptations that AIG so breathlessly assures us could not evolve, by their own standards,() evolved.

 

[KV-44-v1]

Yep. So all those adaptations that AIG so breathlessly assures us could not evolve, by their own standards,() evolved.

The capability was coded into the genes of the first woodpeckers already. And the feature was passed down. It didn't "just evolve".

 

[Barbarian]

The capability was coded into the genes of the first woodpeckers already.

Nope. The first pair of woodpeckers would have had at most, four alleles for each gene locus. Yet woodpeckers today have hundreds of such alleles for most genes. The rest evolved. And so all the adaptations that AIG claimed could not have evolved, must have evolved, according to their own doctrines.

Within the same family, which they seem to regard as the basis of "kind."