[__ Science __ ] What Were the Waters of Day Two?

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The waters on Day 2 of creation from Genesis 1, where they may be now, and how they relate to biblical and secular cosmologies

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The waters divided in (Gen. 1:6) are the same 'face of the deep' and 'face of the waters' in (Gen. 1:2).

God created a firmament, an atmosphere, to divide the waters. (Gen. 1:6) The waters were above the firmament and below the firmament. The waters below were gathered into one place on the earth. (Gen. 1:9) The waters above remained as a canopy over the earth shielding the earth from direct sunlight.

The waters above, I believe, were broken up and used to flood the earth in Noah's day. (Gen. 8:2) I believe these were the 'windows of heaven'. Thus they are no longer there.

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The waters above remained as a canopy over the earth shielding the earth from direct sunlight.

This wouldn't work. Just two hundred meters of water would shut out so much light that there could be no photosynthesis. If it fell back to earth, the re-entry would vaporize it and it would glow. And if that kind of mass fell to Earth from space, it would produce so much heat that the surface would heat up hundreds of degrees.

 

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This wouldn't work. Just two hundred meters of water would shut out so much light that there could be no photosynthesis. If it fell back to earth, the re-entry would vaporize it and it would glow. And if that kind of mass fell to Earth from space, it would produce so much heat that the surface would heat up hundreds of degrees.

It works if God wants it to work.

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It works if God wants it to work.

If you have to insert a non-scriptural miracle to cover up the problems, then any story is equally believable.

 

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If you have to insert a non-scriptural miracle to cover up the problems, then any story is equally believable.

Is there anything about the flood of Noah's day that was not miraculous?

The earth existed prior to the flood due to the way God made it. To say the canopy of waters in the heavens wouldn't work is ridiculous. They work if God says it will work.

There was no rain on the earth till the flood of Noah. Why? Because that is how God set it up.

Of course. The Biblical account, the Biblical record is true and to be believed. I don't need an explanation from science to make it so.

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Of course. The Biblical account, the Biblical record is true and to be believed. I don't need an explanation from science to make it so.Is there anything about the flood of Noah's day that was not miraculous?

The earth existed prior to the flood due to the way God made it. To say the canopy of waters in the heavens wouldn't work is ridiculous. They work if God says it will work.

The water canopy is a recent addition to scripture. And no, it's not sound exegesis to invent a miracle to support one's interpretation of scripture.

There was no rain on the earth till the flood of Noah.

That is also not found in Genesis. And it makes no sense at all. Even in a YE timeline, there were thousands of years between the Fall and the Flood. If there was no water cycle at that time, all plants would have dried up and died.

We should always be careful to distinguish God's word from our interpretations of His word.

 

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The water canopy is a recent addition to scripture. And no, it's not sound exegesis to invent a miracle to support one's interpretation of scripture.

That is also not found in Genesis. And it makes no sense at all. Even in a YE timeline, there were thousands of years between the Fall and the Flood. If there was no water cycle at that time, all plants would have dried up and died.

We should always be careful to distinguish God's word from our interpretations of His word.

(Gen. 1:6-8) is not a recent addition to Scripture.

I'm not inventing a miracle. I'm reading about miracles. As I said, everything about the flood was miraculous.

(Gen. 2:5) "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...."

(Gen. 2:6) "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

We should be careful to believe the Word of God and not try to use science to interpret the Word of God.

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(Gen. 1:6-8) is not a recent addition to Scripture.

But your new interpretation of it is.

I'm not inventing a miracle. I'm reading about miracles. As I said, everything about the flood was miraculous.

That's not what God said.

(Gen. 2:5) "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...."

(Gen. 2:6) "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

In Eden. But not in the world outside, as God says in Genesis. Man has to struggle and work to make crops grow outside.

We should be careful to believe the Word of God and not try to use science to interpret the Word of God.

It's not rocket science. Plants need water. Your assumption that the water cycle did not work before the flood is not support by scripture.

 

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But your new interpretation of it is.


That's not what God said.


In Eden. But not in the world outside, as God says in Genesis. Man has to struggle and work to make crops grow outside.


It's not rocket science. Plants need water. Your assumption that the water cycle did not work before the flood is not support by scripture.

No it's not.

What about the flood was not miraculous according to Scripture?

Your right, it's not rocket science. It is the Word of God. It doesn't say just Eden. It says upon the earth. Upon the face of the whole ground.

Pretty simple really. You just don't want to believe it. You and your science have come up short. You have been found wanting concerning the Word of God. But, go ahead. Trust your science. See how far it gets you with God.

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Your right, it's not rocket science. It is the Word of God. It doesn't say just Eden. It says upon the earth. Upon the face of the whole ground.

That's your addition to His word. Nowhere does it say the entire Earth.

You've chosen to believe your own wishes, instead of His word. Not a good idea, I think.

 

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That's your addition to His word. Nowhere does it say the entire Earth.

You've chosen to believe your own wishes, instead of His word. Not a good idea, I think.

Whats the matter? You can't answer my question? What about the flood was not miraculous according to the Scripture?

It certainly did say the entire earth. (Gen. 2:5) "for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth" Not only are you ignorant of the Bible, but now you reject the testimony of the Bible.

I believe the Bible. I don't need science to interpret the Bible. You on the other hand are an example of trusting science and not God.

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Whats the matter? You can't answer my question? What about the flood was not miraculous according to the Scripture?

It might be easier to say what was miraculous. While the water seems to have behaved very naturally, where it came from (assuming you take it literally) is not.

The idea that the sky is a solid dome with windows in it to let the water fall to Earth is certainly not natural. But of course, there are no such openings, and the sky is not a solid dome.

It certainly did say the entire earth. (Gen. 2:5) "for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth"

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The word "eretz" (earth or land) does not mean "world." "Tebel" was the word used for "world."

Not only are you ignorant of the Bible, but now you reject the testimony of the Bible.

See above. It's not what you assumed it to be.

 

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It was all miraculous. It came from God. The source of the waters was rain, windows of heaven, fountains of the deep. (Gen. 7:11-12) (Gen. 8:2) All three coincided at the time God ordered. (Gen. 7:4) And ended when God ordered. (7:4) (8:6). Miraculous.

Except Scripture says there was a dome of waters above the earth. The waters above the firmament. (Gen. 1:7) Just as it said there were windows of heaven which God opened or closed at His will. (7:11) (8:2) Miraculous.

I didn't say earth meant world. It means the earth. Just like it is used in (Gen. 1:29) "which is upon the face of all the earth" Just like it is used in (Gen. 1:1) "God created the heaven and the earth"

There was no rain prior to the flood. God watered the earth through a mist. (Gen. 2:6) "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground." The rain itself was miraculous.

Sorry, Barbarian, I don't assume anything here. I believe what the Scripture is saying. You however, reject Scripture and trust your science. Unbelief.

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It is demonstrably untrue that the sky is a dome with window in it, from which rain falls. You've assumed that metaphors are actual descriptions of the sky.

 

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It is demonstrably untrue that the sky is a dome with window in it, from which rain falls. You've assumed that metaphors are actual descriptions of the sky.

You are running out of room. I never said what you say. Go back and reread, not that it will do any good. You don't know the Bible because you don't believe the Bible.

Everything about the flood of Noah was miraculous. The rain. The windows of Heaven. The fountains of the deep. The timing of it.

You don't believe the Bible.

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You are running out of room. I never said what you say. Go back and reread, not that it will do any good. You don't know the Bible because you don't believe the Bible.

Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of the life of Noe, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened:

There are no gates in the sky. This is figurative, not a literal description. If you would read the Bible itself, you might know about these things. And I think you'd find it easier to believe than you seem to do now.

 

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Well, let's take a look...

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of the life of Noe, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened:

There are no gates in the sky. This is figurative, not a literal description. If you would read the Bible itself, you might know about these things. And I think you'd find it easier to believe than you seem to do now.

Again, I never said what you said in post #(15). Which is why you don't want to address it.

You showed you don't know the Scripture when you tried to claim it had rained on the earth before the flood. Even though Scripture says it didn't. But of course you and your 'science' knows better than God.

You tried to say 'earth' doesn't mean earth. Foolish attempt. And of course Scripture proved you wrong.

Now you want to focus on something you think you have some hope of creating a 'metaphor' that might help you create the rest of the Scripture concerning the flood as a 'metaphor'. Sorry, all it does is reveal your unbelief.

The windows of heaven is God's term for the waters above the earth. (Gen. 1:7) These are distinguished from the rain, which itself was not known before the flood. (Gen. 8:2)

No metaphor here. Actual windows that God opened to flood the earth.

You just don't believe the Scripture.

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You tried to say 'earth' doesn't mean earth. Foolish attempt. And of course Scripture proved you wrong.

As you learned, "erets" means "land", not "world." For example, "erets Israel" means "the land of Israel", not "the world of Israel." If God meant to say that the whole world was covered by a flood, He would have said "tebel", not "erets."

I think you'd do a lot better, if you did a little Bible study and learned some of these things.

 

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As you learned, "erets" means "land", not "world." For example, "erets Israel" means "the land of Israel", not "the world of Israel." If God meant to say that the whole world was covered by a flood, He would have said "tebel", not "erets."

I think you'd do a lot better, if you did a little Bible study and learned some of these things.

(Gen. 1:1) "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

(Gen. 2:5) "...for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth...."

Same word.

There was no rain prior to the flood. God watered the ground with a mist. (Gen. 2:6) "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

We are not addressing the extent of the flood at this point. You are changing the subject. We are establishing that there was no rain prior to the flood.

Scripture is clear here, as is your refusal to believe it.

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