-Who Will Be Saved In The Ending Of It All-

[Elijah674]

Because of Isa. fives ‘few’ Loving our Lord He has another extended relationship put into place. It is no different except when He left earth as the second ‘faithful’ Adam and was accepted of the Father, it was then & only then that He knew that His mission was accomplished. Read John 20:17 for the verse...

[15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

This is the difference for the Eternal Covenant, and that is still are the same Covenants. Read 2 John where John makes this as clear as he possible can....

[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Now John expands it to see that while Christ as a Son (second Adam) when accepted of God would send back the Holly Spirit back to be fully OMNIPRESENT. And this was done.

So as Isa. 5 is read, we see a glaring picture of [only a few Obedient].
And Christ says to CHOOSE BETWIXT HIM & His Christ/less yet PERFECT VINEYARD. Read verse 3.

Isa.5

[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, [[judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard]].
[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

Now what comes next is Christ’s sending the Holly Spirit back after His execution. It was now possible to have Jesus Christ to go into the WHOLE WORLD through the Holy Spirit.

As the Old Israel had a shut door to their House, we see the same saving power seen yet in only a REMNANT! All Remnant still did the same requirements as did Old Israel, only this New Covenant were all FREE FROM the ceremonies that pointed to Christ & his death. Gal. 3:19

[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

In John 12 we findmany believed on Christ, yet the LOVE was not made PERFECT! John 12:42-43 finds it stated this way...

[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

So as the time comes to a head once again, we will find still a Remnant still safe to save, but this time around it will be a much larger group. And still we see the Rev. 17:5 ones ALL LOST, along with ALL the narrow path ones on Matt. 7. And the reason why?? Is seen that their Love was just not there!

--Elijah

PS: And yes, they ALL will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers!

 

[smaller]

Who Will Be Saved In The Ending Of It All-And yes, they ALL will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers!

The whole mindset that the only believers that are saved are believers who show up in the pew on Saturday is pretty bizarre E.

It's unfortunate when any sect imposes that demand into the minds and hearts of adherents.

I feel even sorrier for the JW's. Only 144K and they are all scrambling like mad even though if they sat down and ran the math the % prospects don't look good....;)

s

 

[Elijah674]

Who Will Be Saved In The Ending Of It All-And yes, they ALL will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers!

The whole mindset that the only believers that are saved are believers who show up in the pew on Saturday is pretty bizarre E.

It's unfortunate when any sect imposes that demand into the minds and hearts of adherents.

I feel even sorrier for the JW's. Only 144K and they are all scrambling like mad even though if they sat down and ran the math the % prospects don't look good....;)

s

What will you do for these of Rev. 17:5 ones?
--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

The Ending will run very close to this method:

Of these few (which are from the Rev. 12:17) that came from these ones who had not been taken from 'other' false folds, they have a special message to take to the world. The Three Angels message of Rev. 14:6-10.

These 144000 no doubt will be court tested in the UN. After the USA is done with them. They are given up by the church that they had been yoked to. Seventh Day Adventist. These have had a sever testing among their selves and the faithful are the severed group. And you can be sure that these ones are to be called by a New Name. That of Philadelphia.

The whole Apostate bunch of the Rev. 17:1-5 still have some sincere souls to be warned to leave the 'yoke' membership or be lost. But never think that Christ calls these folds anything but what they are. (compare John 10:16)

This will be the final climax.

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

Let just skip the class of Matt. 6:24 & get into the correct doctrinal church. One LORD, one FAITH of Eph. and one Baptism 4:5. (exit class from Rev. 17:5 ones)

OK: a lot of flax follows we can be sure.
There is just one fold & not a bunch of 'fodder'! meaning the tower of Babble ones.

In the Virgin fold there are two class that need cleansing. (thus a shaking)
The church switches leaders. Among the class that stays put everything is permitted to enter into the fold. It stays put as Seventh day Adventists. Now at this time there are a larger class who leave taking 'some' of the things that they 'never' learned, and start up other false folds. (many of these around!)

Now for the split: As went Old Israel so goes New Israel !... God asks what is New??? (Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15) And John 12:42-43 follows.

OK: For the ones who put Christ ahead of His teachings you now have the Isa. 5:3 church with Christ as the Leader. This is what the 'Three Angels Messages is All About!'

And this is the Message that you are hearing & are (a few) making a stand for.

--Elijah

 

[smaller]

Let just skip the class of Matt. 6:24 & get into the correct doctrinal church. One LORD, one FAITH of Eph. and one Baptism 4:5. (exit class from Rev. 17:5 ones)

OK: a lot of flax follows we can be sure.
There is just one fold & not a bunch of 'fodder'! meaning the tower of Babble ones.

Factually speaking we all see only in part Elijah.

And it is entirely presumption on the part of your sect that 'automatically' determines itself the only right one. That is a delusion over fact of seeing in part. No 'sect' that sees in part can be entirely right.

In the Virgin fold there are two class that need cleansing. (thus a shaking)

We all have sin Elijah. There is no getting around the obvious. A man can sit in the pew for every Saturday from beginning to end and not eat pork and will still be found out to be a factual sinner at the end.

The church switches leaders. Among the class that stays put everything is permitted to enter into the fold. It stays put as Seventh day Adventists.

And if they stop telling themselves that they may no longer exist. Every sect has their own special 'this is why my group and my group alone' is thee only correct one.

In many ways it's sad that every church can't come to an honest conclusion and say 'We only see in part.' I might think such are at least honest.

It must get old to have to pick up the Bible every time and when you read about Babylon to have to automatically think it's only the RCC (and her supposed sisters) when there are as a fact other truthful conclusions one can make that will not land in that conclusion.

Seriously sad to have to take on angles that won't and can't hold.

Now at this time there are a larger class who leave taking 'some' of the things that they 'never' learned, and start up other false folds. (many of these around!)

Now for the split: As went Old Israel so goes New Israel !... God asks what is New??? (Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15) And John 12:42-43 follows.

OK: For the ones who put Christ ahead of His teachings you now have the Isa. 5:3 church with Christ as the Leader. This is what the 'Three Angels Messages is All About!'

And this is the Message that you are hearing & are (a few) making a stand for.

--Elijah

I don't think the SDAists listen to the the 'Three Angel Messanges' all that accurately Elijah. They just made their own little funnel and everytime they hear the matters it can only funnel as they insist and presume.

Assumptions and presumptions make for poor evidence when witnesses of facts to the contrary arise.

s

 

[littlelight]

PS: And yes, they ALL will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers!

Rom 10:9-11

9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

NIV




I have done the above so I have confidence in that I qualify for the below.




2 Cor 5:1




5 Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.

NIV

Your belief is that only the Sabbath keepers will get into heaven.




I believe that anyone who adds one work of their own, which says Jesus work was not enough, as their right to claim entry into heaven is on dangerous ground.




In other words in Matt 7: 22 I believe there may be some that say “have we not kept the Sabbath†as work that will keep them out of heaven because they don't trust in Jesus. They are trusting in their work of keeping the Sabbath.

 

[George Muller]

PS: And yes, they ALL will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers!

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief

I agree, we who have ceased from our own works(of law) have entered into the true Sabbath.

 

[Elijah674]

Because of Isa. fives ‘few’ Loving our Lord He has another extended relationship put into place. It is no different except when He left earth as the second ‘faithful’ Adam and was accepted of the Father, it was then & only then that He knew that His mission was accomplished. Read John 20:17 for the verse...

[15] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
[16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

This is the difference for the Eternal Covenant, and that is still are the same Covenants. Read 2 John where John makes this as clear as he possible can....

[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
[6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Now John expands it to see that while Christ as a Son (second Adam) when accepted of God would send back the Holly Spirit back to be fully OMNIPRESENT. And this was done.

So as Isa. 5 is read, we see a glaring picture of [only a few Obedient].
And Christ says to CHOOSE BETWIXT HIM & His Christ/less yet PERFECT VINEYARD. Read verse 3.

Isa.5

[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.
[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, [[judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard]].
[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

Now what comes next is Christ’s sending the Holly Spirit back after His execution. It was now possible to have Jesus Christ to go into the WHOLE WORLD through the Holy Spirit.

As the Old Israel had a shut door to their House, we see the same saving power seen yet in only a REMNANT! All Remnant still did the same requirements as did Old Israel, only this New Covenant were all FREE FROM the ceremonies that pointed to Christ & his death. Gal. 3:19

[19] Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

In John 12 we findmany believed on Christ, yet the LOVE was not made PERFECT! John 12:42-43 finds it stated this way...

[42] Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
[43] For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

So as the time comes to a head once again, we will find still a Remnant still safe to save, but this time around it will be a much larger group. And still we see the Rev. 17:5 ones ALL LOST, along with ALL the narrow path ones on Matt. 7. And the reason why?? Is seen that their Love was just not there!

--Elijah

PS: And yes, they ALL will be 7th Day Sabbath keepers!

You miss the point youngin!;)

Surely these know of 1 John 5:16-18. And it is doing the presumptuous Sin that set them all apart, but as Christ states in Matt. 23 that these all...

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and [[to his disciples,]]
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] [All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do;] but [do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not].

And one more from Josh 7. Here we have a family man that only God knew what he had done. And it cost 36 men their lives. But pay attention that God still gave Achan several chances to come forth with what he had done! And did you find in verse one who were held guilty? [ALL OF ISRAEL] And surely the family knew what was buried in the center of his tent. And they said nothing.

And 1 John 5 stated that there is a sin unto death and that we are not told to pray for it.
So NO for your remark about we all are sinners. There are some that repent for their mistakes. But not all will do so and these are the ones who God tests.
The mark of the Beast will be the Matt. 7:24 huge amount of professed believers using Caesar power to do their 'evil' work.

And these professed ones have been around well past any 120 years with their false teachings. (Gen. 6:7)

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

I know the charge of sin is against all men, by the law. Here is the solution to the problem, its called the gospel.

Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[jeff77]

Who Will Be Saved In The Ending Of It All-

It is my understanding that we are saved at the time of our new birth. If it is not a present possession how could we do valid service for God now and receive our reward later?

 

[Elijah674]

Who Will Be Saved In The Ending Of It All-

It is my understanding that we are saved at the time of our new birth. If it is not a present possession how could we do valid service for God now and receive our reward later?

The condition for the rebirth is seen in Acts 5:32 (given to those who will obey Him)
Surely as one MATURES in knowledge he is to be Led? (Rom. 8:1 & ibid 14)

I find that anyone can change his mind? And so we find Matt. 7 non/obedient workers + Heb. 6:1-6 ones recorded.

--Elijah

 

[littlelight]

[

Surely these know of 1 John 5:16-18. And it is doing the presumptuous Sin that set them all apart[/quote






30 "'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the Lord, and that person must be cut off from his people. 31 Because he has despised the Lord's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.'"

NIV




If a person presumptuously sins they could not be justified under the Law of Moses.




Peter being the leader of the Apostles,being gifted by God at Pentecost with the gifts of an Apostle(teacher, evangelist and many other gifts)surely knew of which He spoke.







Acts 13: 38 - 39


38 "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

NIV




Presumptuous sin is not the sin into death.

 

[Elijah674]

[

Surely these know of 1 John 5:16-18. And it is doing the presumptuous Sin that set them all apart[/quote

30 "'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the Lord, and that person must be cut off from his people. 31 Because he has despised the Lord's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.'"

NIV

If a person presumptuously sins they could not be justified under the Law of Moses.

Peter being the leader of the Apostles,being gifted by God at Pentecost with the gifts of an Apostle(teacher, evangelist and many other gifts)surely knew of which He spoke.

Acts 13: 38 - 39

38 "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

NIV

Presumptuous sin is not the sin into death.

Hi, perhaps Psalms 19:13 will give some light on this? (and do not miss the 'also' word)

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

Hi, perhaps Psalms 19:13 will give some light on this? (and do not miss the 'also' word)

Yes or one could believe the truth of the gospel?
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[littlelight]

Hi, perhaps Psalms 19:13 will give some light on this? (and do not miss the 'also' word)

I'm sorry that the book reference got cutoff in my last post. It was Num 15: 29-30 and I should have kept to the KJV. So in the KJV it states that presumptuous sins cannot be forgiven under the law of Moses. Acts 13: 38-39 but they are forgiven by faith in Jesus. So Ps 19: 13 does not change what I said. Presumptuous sins are not the sin unto death.

 

[Elijah674]

Hi, perhaps Psalms 19:13 will give some light on this? (and do not miss the 'also' word)

I'm sorry that the book reference got cutoff in my last post. It was Num 15: 29-30 and I should have kept to the KJV. So in the KJV it states that presumptuous sins cannot be forgiven under the law of Moses. Acts 13: 38-39 but they are forgiven by faith in Jesus. So Ps 19: 13 does not change what I said. Presumptuous sins are not the sin unto death.

Hi there, what is stated is that it is the presumptuous sin that is leading upward towards death. Eternal death! Perhaps I did not make that clear? When one does any sin knowingly, it takes makes the conscience that much weaker after a period of time. Such as the false teaching of sun. for the Lords day. After a while it is just a passing 'command' of just not to do it. Like lieing, after a while it just is a matter that means nothing much but... is just another cheap law broken!

That is the point of David there. After the praising of the law (sweeter than honey) he comes on back with... 'keep thy servant from presumptive sins; LET THEM not have dominion OVER ME; [THEN] shall I be upright, and I shall be [INNOCENT from the GREAT TRANGRESSION.]

Got that? Perhaps I did not explain it? It goes right along with James 1:15 (NT) A starting point & the finished conceived ending point of eternal death.

But thanks for making this clear!

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

When one does any sin knowingly, it takes makes the conscience that much weaker after a period of time. Such as the false teaching of sun. for the Lords day. After a while it is just a passing 'command' of just not to do it. Like lieing, after a while it just is a matter that means nothing much but... is just another cheap law broken!

Does the scripture say that the law is spiritual? Do not these scriptures say that the law is being fulfilled in those who walk after the spirit? Now remember not to lie.

Ro 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Elijah674]

So this is why Rev. 12:17 has this ending.

[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which (NO.1 The Commandments of God!) keep the commandments of God, (No. 2 from cover t cover) and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

--Elijah

 

[George Muller]

So this is why Rev. 12:17 has this ending.

[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which (NO.1 The Commandments of God!) keep the commandments of God, (No. 2 from cover t cover) and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

--Elijah

Sure those who are walking in the Spirit, are fulfilling the righteousness of the law, just as the scriptures says.
I ask again?
Does the scripture say that the law is spiritual? Do not these scriptures say that the law is being fulfilled in those who walk after the spirit? Now remember not to lie.

Ro 7:14 ¶ For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Ro 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.