Whole Wheat Communion Bread

[precepts]

If the process of bleaching flour is a modern invention, then can someone explain to me why there's not even one church that serves whole wheat communion bread? Please, anyone? :muchlove

 

[Caroline H]

I'm not sure I understand your question, maybe it's the way it's worded? Are you asking why churches usually serve those little white crackers or wafers (made from white flour) rather than whole wheat unleavened bread?

 

[Vic C.]

We use Kosher matzoh broken into nickel sized pieces. :yes

 

[Caroline H]

Just because flour is white doesn't mean it was bleached. It depends on what part of the wheat grain is used to make the flour as to what colour it has. So matzo (unleavened bread) can be brown or white, and there's no way to tell whether Jesus ate brown or white bread at his last supper.

 

[Danus]

What difference does it make? We take communion in remembrance of Christ and what he did for us. I don't recall him specifying what type of bread to use, or if we use grape juice or wine. You can use a soda cracker and orange juice if you want.

 

[Mysteryman]

What difference does it make? We take communion in remembrance of Christ and what he did for us. I don't recall him specifying what type of bread to use, or if we use grape juice or wine. You can use a soda cracker and orange juice if you want.

How about a pretzel and Beer ? :D

 

[precepts]

Caroline's quote
I'm not sure I understand your question, maybe it's the way it's worded? Are you asking why churches usually serve those little white crackers or wafers (made from white flour) rather than whole wheat unleavened bread?

I hear you knocking.............

Caroline's quote
Just because flour is white doesn't mean it was bleached. It depends on what part of the wheat grain is used to make the flour as to what colour it has. So matzo (unleavened bread) can be brown or white, and there's no way to tell whether Jesus ate brown or white bread at his last supper.

Really?

Danus' quote
What difference does it make? We take communion in remembrance of Christ and what he did for us. I don't recall him specifying what type of bread to use, or if we use grape juice or wine. You can use a soda cracker and orange juice if you want

Food for thought! Go figure.

 

[Tina]

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How about a pretzel and Beer ? :D

Then you will be slain in the spirit ..... drunk for short ! ...... :biglol :nag :crazy


:silly

 

[Caroline H]

Just because flour is white doesn't mean it was bleached. It depends on what part of the wheat grain is used to make the flour as to what colour it has. So matzo (unleavened bread) can be brown or white, and there's no way to tell whether Jesus ate brown or white bread at his last supper.

Really?

Yeah, check this out:

More wheat flour is produced than any other flour. Wheat varieties are called "clean," "white," or "brown" if they have high gluten content, and they are called "soft" or "weak" flour if gluten content is low. Hard flour, or bread flour, is high in gluten, with 12% to 14% gluten content, and has elastic toughness that holds its shape well once baked. Soft flour is comparatively low in gluten and so results in a finer texture. [1] Soft flour is usually divided into cake flour, which is the lowest in gluten, and pastry flour, which has slightly more gluten than cake flour.

In terms of the parts of the grain (the grass fruit) used in flour—the endosperm or starchy part, the germ or protein part, and the bran or fibre part—there are three general types of flour. White flour is made from the endosperm only. Whole grain or wholemeal flour is made from the entire grain, including bran, endosperm, and germ. A germ flour is made from the endosperm and germ, excluding the bran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_flour

Here's a thought though... Have you ever wondered what Christian Eskimo's do for communion? They don't grow wheat or grapes. If they were to use something other than wheat and wine/grape juice, would they be wrong? I don't think they would, as it is the heart that the Father looks upon.

 

[precepts]

Caroline's quote
Yeah, check this out:


Wikipedia wrote:
More wheat flour is produced than any other flour. Wheat varieties are called "clean," "white," or "brown" if they have high gluten content, and they are called "soft" or "weak" flour if gluten content is low. Hard flour, or bread flour, is high in gluten, with 12% to 14% gluten content, and has elastic toughness that holds its shape well once baked. Soft flour is comparatively low in gluten and so results in a finer texture. [1] Soft flour is usually divided into cake flour, which is the lowest in gluten, and pastry flour, which has slightly more gluten than cake flour.

In terms of the parts of the grain (the grass fruit) used in flour—the endosperm or starchy part, the germ or protein part, and the bran or fibre part—there are three general types of flour. White flour is made from the endosperm only. Whole grain or wholemeal flour is made from the entire grain, including bran, endosperm, and germ. A germ flour is made from the endosperm and germ, excluding the bran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_flour

That's a nice try but I read an article that said bleaching flour existed in Greek texts. So, I don't believe everything I read, especially when it comes to white supremacy. :biglol

Caroline's quote
Here's a thought though... Have you ever wondered what Christian Eskimo's do for communion? They don't grow wheat or grapes. If they were to use something other than wheat and wine/grape juice, would they be wrong? I don't think they would, as it is the heart that the Father looks upon.

Caroline 6:2 Thanks for explaining your doctrine. :biglol :amen

 

[Caroline H]

Caroline's quote
Yeah, check this out:


Wikipedia wrote:
More wheat flour is produced than any other flour. Wheat varieties are called "clean," "white," or "brown" if they have high gluten content, and they are called "soft" or "weak" flour if gluten content is low. Hard flour, or bread flour, is high in gluten, with 12% to 14% gluten content, and has elastic toughness that holds its shape well once baked. Soft flour is comparatively low in gluten and so results in a finer texture. [1] Soft flour is usually divided into cake flour, which is the lowest in gluten, and pastry flour, which has slightly more gluten than cake flour.

In terms of the parts of the grain (the grass fruit) used in flour—the endosperm or starchy part, the germ or protein part, and the bran or fibre part—there are three general types of flour. White flour is made from the endosperm only. Whole grain or wholemeal flour is made from the entire grain, including bran, endosperm, and germ. A germ flour is made from the endosperm and germ, excluding the bran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_flour

That's a nice try but I read an article that said bleaching flour existed in Greek texts. So, I don't believe everything I read, especially when it comes to white supremacy. :biglol

You're the one who said it was a modern invention

Here's a thought though... Have you ever wondered what Christian Eskimo's do for communion? They don't grow wheat or grapes. If they were to use something other than wheat and wine/grape juice, would they be wrong? I don't think they would, as it is the heart that the Father looks upon.

Caroline 6:2 Thanks for explaining your doctrine. :biglol :amen

What do you mean by that?

 

[precepts]

Caroline's quote

You're the one who said it was a modern invention

It is, but there's definitely a plot or conspiracy to hide the truth and promote Zeus' image as god. If it's not the issue of the white bread, there's the issue of Mary's little lamb, the issue of white hens laying lily white eggs, etc., all contrary to nature. History is based on white supremacy lies from the devil to promote a false image.

Caroline's quote
[quote:2fffb2jm]precepts wrote:
[quote:2fffb2jm]Caroline H wrote:
Here's a thought though... Have you ever wondered what Christian Eskimo's do for communion? They don't grow wheat or grapes. If they were to use something other than wheat and wine/grape juice, would they be wrong? I don't think they would, as it is the heart that the Father looks upon

.Caroline 6:2 Thanks for explaining your doctrine. [/quote:2fffb2jm]
What do you mean by that?[/quote:2fffb2jm] Your opinion is not fact.

 

[Vic C.]

I'm not seeing the gist of this thread. It makes no sense to me. This is the practice:

Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

There is no command other than the bread must not be leavened. Leaven is yeast; yeast is in the fungi family. Bleaching flour does not produce yeast. Here is a brief description of yeast:

First, let’s discuss the nature of leaven. It is another word for yeast, a naturally occurring plant. In ancient times, they didn’t know that. What they did know is that if you took flour and water, kneaded it well and left it in a cool place for a long time, the dough would rise. They also knew that this process would speed up if you saved a little dough each time you baked to add to your next batch. This reserve is now called a ‘starter.’ It was a good way to preserve yeast that made good bread, versus leaving the dough out every night in hope that it would catch a good wild yeast versus a bad one. Once the yeast gets into the lump, it spreads throughout the lump without noticeably changing its color. Yeast is both invisible and yet visible, since it does change the shape and texture of the dough.

http://www.prosphora.org/page27.html

Bleaching has nothing to do with the production of yeast, therefore it has no effect on leavening.

"After flour has been ground and blended to the desired mix of particles, it is treated chemically to accomplish in a matter of minutes what otherwise takes weeks. Bleaching removes the light yellow color caused by xanthophylls, a variety of carotenoid also found in potatoes and onions. The color has no practical or nutritional significance and is oxidized simply to obtain a uniform whiteness. Bleaching does, however, destroy small amounts of vitamin E in flour, which probably accounts for its bad reputation in some circles. For historical reasons, yellow coloration is valued in pasta, and so semolina is never bleached.

(from the book, On Food and Cooking by Harold McGee

Instead of this silly debate over whether or not the flour is bleached, it may behoove you to study why God insisted they use unleavened bread. :yes

 

[precepts]

Can you say Pontificate? totopic Why is it that when certain individuals don't agree with someone else's opinion, they try to force their opinion on others as if their opinion is fact? :nag I thougth this was a free country where everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Need I define "opinion"?

 

[Caroline H]

I thougth this was a free country...

Nope, this is the Internet

 

[Vic C.]

Can you say Pontificate? totopic Why is it that when certain individuals don't agree with someone else's opinion, they try to force their opinion on others as if their opinion is fact? :nag I thougth this was a free country where everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Need I define "opinion"?

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