[_ Old Earth _] Why do evolutionists say Creation is a myth?

[Dave Slayer]

Why do evolutionists say Creation is a myth? Why should their theory replace the book of Genesis?

 

[Heidi]

Why do evolutionists say Creation is a myth? Why should their theory replace the book of Genesis?

This is an easy one; since the biblical account of creation is confirmed by reality perfectly, God tells us in 2 Corinthians 4;4 that he has allowed Satan to blind the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the truth. So the whole goal of the scientific world is to try to disprove God because deep inside, they know the truth but are suppressing by their wickedness as Romans 1:18 says. In verse 24 of that passage, God tells us he is thus giving them over to their depraved minds. So scientists come up with far more bizarre and impossible stories than anything in the bible! They are also depraved stories such as claiming that humans are the combination of apes and ancestors common to humans which suggests bestiality. That's how God is making them look foolish as he tells us he would in 1 Corinthians 1. ;)

 

[lordkalvan]

This is an easy one; since the biblical account of creation is confirmed by reality perfectly...

Stating something is so is not the same as demonstrating that it is so. Can you explain the 'perfect' correspondence of the natural world as observed to the 'reality' of the biblical creation account?

...God tells us in 2 Corinthians 4;4 that he has allowed Satan to blind the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the truth.

Are you sure that this verse relates to naturalistic explanations of, for example, evolution? It seems to me that it relates more to the spiritual message of Christianity. Would you disagree?

So the whole goal of the scientific world is to try to disprove God because deep inside, they know the truth but are suppressing by their wickedness as Romans 1:18 says.

Many scientists are devout Christians, so I rather think this wild assertion is something of a misrepresentation of the actual situation.

In verse 24 of that passage, God tells us he is thus giving them over to their depraved minds.

Your interpretation of this verse as referring to scientists seems somewhat dubious, to say the least.

So scientists come up with far more bizarre and impossible stories than anything in the bible!

Global floods wiping out all save eight individual human beings and some assorted domestic animals seem both bizarre and impossible.

They are also depraved stories such as claiming that humans are the combination of apes and ancestors common to humans which suggests bestiality.

You misunderstandings and hang-ups are showing again

That's how God is making them look foolish as he tells us he would in 1 Corinthians 1

How, exactly? The only one who appears foolish here is yourself.

 

[Barbarian]

Why do evolutionists say Creation is a myth?

Most of us don't. In America, the great majority of people who accept evolution are theists.

Why should their theory replace the book of Genesis?

Couldn't. The Bible is about God and man and our relationship. Science is about the way the natural universe works.

 

[VenomFangX]

since the biblical account of creation is confirmed by reality perfectly, God tells us in 2 Corinthians 4;4 that he has allowed Satan to blind the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the truth.

I am afraid you are logically incorrect in this answer, there is no evidence at all for the biblical account of creation. As the biblical account of creation is in the bible you cannot use that set of documents as proof, as the argument is circular: to have it confirmed you need evidence beyond the book of the Lord our God.

the whole goal of the scientific world is to try to disprove God because deep inside, they know the truth

This is a bizarre claim without any evidence of a conspiracy theory by scientists on a global scale; this may also be true but you need more facts than the good book once again to make that claim. Scientists do not have any goal except to find what is really out there, and to find the way things really work, to suggest otherwise is pure folly.

hey are also depraved stories such as claiming that humans are the combination of apes and ancestors common to humans which suggests bestiality

This is an emotional statement: scientists do not claim we are a combination of apes, they claim as I also do that we are apes., and once again the good book does not hold up against scientific scrutiny as a scientific document if that is what you are suggesting.
I suggest the book of Genesis is a metaphorical work; this had its day for thousands of years, but for some its day is now over. God gave us the intelligence to discover the real world around us; this discovery is science and is the will of God, anything else is perhaps superstition.
yours
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[Orion]

Why do evolutionists say Creation is a myth? Why should their theory replace the book of Genesis?

This is an easy one; since the biblical account of creation is confirmed by reality perfectly, God tells us in 2 Corinthians 4;4 that he has allowed Satan to blind the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the truth. So the whole goal of the scientific world is to try to disprove God because deep inside, they know the truth but are suppressing by their wickedness as Romans 1:18 says. In verse 24 of that passage, God tells us he is thus giving them over to their depraved minds. So scientists come up with far more bizarre and impossible stories than anything in the bible! They are also depraved stories such as claiming that humans are the combination of apes and ancestors common to humans which suggests bestiality. That's how God is making them look foolish as he tells us he would in 1 Corinthians 1. ;)

This was wonderful satire, Heidi. Thanks for that! ;)

 

[Dave Slayer]

since the biblical account of creation is confirmed by reality perfectly, God tells us in 2 Corinthians 4;4 that he has allowed Satan to blind the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the truth.

I am afraid you are logically incorrect in this answer, there is no evidence at all for the biblical account of creation. As the biblical account of creation is in the bible you cannot use that set of documents as proof, as the argument is circular: to have it confirmed you need evidence beyond the book of the Lord our God.[quote="Dave Slayer":jj2da048] the whole goal of the scientific world is to try to disprove God because deep inside, they know the truth

This is a bizarre claim without any evidence of a conspiracy theory by scientists on a global scale; this may also be true but you need more facts than the good book once again to make that claim. Scientists do not have any goal except to find what is really out there, and to find the way things really work, to suggest otherwise is pure folly.

hey are also depraved stories such as claiming that humans are the combination of apes and ancestors common to humans which suggests bestiality

This is an emotional statement: scientists do not claim we are a combination of apes, they claim as I also do that we are apes., and once again the good book does not hold up against scientific scrutiny as a scientific document if that is what you are suggesting.
I suggest the book of Genesis is a metaphorical work; this had its day for thousands of years, but for some its day is now over. God gave us the intelligence to discover the real world around us; this discovery is science and is the will of God, anything else is perhaps superstition.
yours
ÒõýþüäðýóÖ[/quote:jj2da048]

You are quoting me when you should be quoting Heidi. ;)

 

[Crying Rock]

I am afraid you are logically incorrect in this answer, there is no evidence at all for the biblical account of creation. As the biblical account of creation is in the bible you cannot use that set of documents as proof, as the argument is circular: to have it confirmed you need evidence beyond the book of the Lord our God.

So your not a Christian.

So why are you here?

I've always pondered why atheists hang out on Christian boards? :gah


Are you an evangelist?

 

[Crying Rock]

Stating something is so is not the same as demonstrating that it is so. Can you explain the 'perfect' correspondence of the natural world as observed to the 'reality' of the biblical creation account?

LordCalvin, are you a atheist?

If so, why do you focus the majority of your efforts on a Christian board?

Are you an evangelist?

 

[VenomFangX]

Crying Rock: Are you a Christian by denying the logic God gave us; the ability to think for ourselves. Do you prefer the superstitions of tribesmen some 5000 years ago; or as you imply you are the judge of all things that Christ delivered and that you are the final arbiter of truth. I think not.
Do not throw stones, unless you know what was in the heart of my God and Lord. Being a Christian does not mean you hold to medieval superstitions and half truths like some here appear to do: being a Christian is upholding the intention and the word of the Lord: we do not play with magic but our rock is on the solid foundation of love, intellect and what our Lord gave us. Seek the Truth.
yours

ÒõýþüäðýóÖ

 

[lordkalvan]

LordCalvin, are you a atheist?

Why do you only ask questions rather than answer them?

If so, why do you focus the majority of your efforts on a Christian board?

How do you know where I focus the majority of my efforts?

Are you an evangelist?

In what sense and about what?

 

[Barbarian]

I've always pondered why atheists hang out on Christian boards? :gah

Probably for the same reason creationists enter science discussions. To provide a counter-argument.

 

[Crying Rock]

Crying Rock: Are you a Christian by denying the logic God gave us; the ability to think for ourselves. Do you prefer the superstitions of tribesmen some 5000 years ago; or as you imply you are the judge of all things that Christ delivered and that you are the final arbiter of truth. I think not.
Do not throw stones, unless you know what was in the heart of my God and Lord. Being a Christian does not mean you hold to medieval superstitions and half truths like some here appear to do: being a Christian is upholding the intention and the word of the Lord: we do not play with magic but our rock is on the solid foundation of love, intellect and what our Lord gave us. Seek the Truth.
yours

ÒõýþüäðýóÖ

Yes, I am a Christian.

Lord Calvin has admitted he is not.

He has admitted he is an Atheist.

Are you a Christian according to this board's definition:

viewtopic.php?t=11740

 

[Barbarian]

It should be noted that some, but not all, of that statement is considered true by most of the world's Christians.

If VenomfangX is Russian, he is likely among the Eastern Orthodox, a very large group of very traditional Christians who do not accept all parts of the statement, because some of those parts were promulgated after the split between the eastern and western churches, not to mention after the split between Catholic and Protestant branches of the western Christians.

This doesn't mean he isn't a Christian.

 

[Crying Rock]

It should be noted that some, but not all, of that statement is considered true by most of the world's Christians.

If VenomfangX is Russian, he is likely among the Eastern Orthodox, a very large group of very traditional Christians who do not accept all parts of the statement, because some of those parts were promulgated after the split between the eastern and western churches, not to mention after the split between Catholic and Protestant branches of the western Christians.

This doesn't mean he isn't a Christian.

What parts are not in Codex Sinaiticus, dated to 325AD-360AD:

http://www.sinaiticus.com/

 

[coelacanth]

Why do evolutionists say Creation is a myth?

First definition of "myth" that came up on a google search:

myth (mth)
n.
1.
a. A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society

Why should their theory replace the book of Genesis?

I wouldn't say the book of Genesis necessarily needs replacing, just that it shouldn't be taken literally. Once you stop taking it literally there is no longer of an incongruity between reason and evidence vs blind faith. It's the best explanation of origins that was available to a group of ancient (imaginative) people.