Bible Study With Strong Crying and Tears

[Asyncritus]

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

When was this?

The only two occasions when Jesus wept, that we know of from the gospels, were

1 At Lazarus' tomb

Jn 11.35 Jesus wept.


2 Over Jerusalem:

Lk 19.41 ¶ And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it ...

So what is Hebrews talking about? When did He weep and cry unto God who was able to save Him from death?

Two points might help us clear this up.

1 The word 'crying' refers to shouting aloud as a rule. Thus:

Mt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry <2906> made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Ac 23:9 And there arose a great cry <2906>: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees’ part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.

So the problem deepens. When was He 'shouting'?

2 'And tears' tells us that He was weeping. When?

One weeps when deeply sorrowful, and Jesus is no exception.

Matthew tells us:

26.38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: abide ye here, and watch with me.

It's here in Gethsemane that He wept.

Putting together the Gospel accounts we have this extremely sad picture:

He is exceedingly sorrowful, and leaves the disciples:

Luke 22.41 And he was parted from them about a stone’s cast; and he kneeled down and prayed

Mk.14. 35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass away from him.

Mt.26.39 And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.

So he started by kneeling down to pray, but it became so terrible that He fell on the ground, presumably on all fours, then on His face - I suspect praying and weeping and sweating what looked like great drops of blood.

Luke 22.42 saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

God heard Him and answers:

43 And there appeared unto him an angel from heaven, strengthening him.

The appearance of the angel, far from easing the burden, worsens His feelings:

44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat became as it were great drops of blood falling down upon the ground.

It is here that He wept. And shouted out His requests to God - the 'strong crying'. This is how the disciples knew what He was saying and could record it for us.

I am certain, from reading the Psalms, that there were many other unrecorded times when He wept, but this is the greatest one of all.

Psalm 42 seems most relevant here:

5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the health of his countenance.

6 ¶ O my God, my soul is cast down within me: therefore do I remember thee from the land of Jordan, and the Hermons, from the hill Mizar.
7 Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me.

[I am drowning, O Lord]

8 Yet the LORD will command his lovingkindness in the day-time, and in the night his song shall be with me, even a prayer unto the God of my life.

...and was heard, in that He feared, and was delivered from death.

Asyncritus

 

[D4Christ]

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

When was this?

The only two occasions when Jesus wept, that we know of from the gospels, were

I think there is a difference between weeping and crying...well at least according to Strong's there is.

weep: G1145, to weep, shed tears
crying: G2906, wailing, outrcry
tears: G1144, a tear

But I am not sure if strong crying and tears translates into weeping.

Blessings,
Dee

 

[reba]

The Scriptures tell us Jesus wept twice that does not mean He did not weep more often.

 

[Asyncritus]

Reba

I am certain, from reading the Psalms, that there were many other unrecorded times when He wept, but this is the greatest one of all.

D4C

I think there is a difference between weeping and crying...well at least according to Strong's there is.

weep: G1145, to weep, shed tears
crying: G2906, wailing, outrcry
tears: G1144, a tear

But I am not sure if strong crying and tears translates into weeping.

'Crying' does not translate into weeping. The verb is used about 'shouting' and raising the voice, as shown in the two illustrations I quoted.

'Tears' does translate into weeping.

Lu 7:38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

 

[Adullam]

Heb 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

When was this?

The only two occasions when Jesus wept, that we know of from the gospels, were

1 At Lazarus' tomb

Jn 11.35 Jesus wept.


2 Over Jerusalem:

Lk 19.41 ¶ And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it ...

So what is Hebrews talking about? When did He weep and cry unto God who was able to save Him from death?

Two points might help us clear this up.

1 The word 'crying' refers to shouting aloud as a rule. Thus:

Mt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry <2906> made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Ac 23:9 And there arose a great cry <2906>: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees’ part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.

So the problem deepens. When was He 'shouting'?

2 'And tears' tells us that He was weeping. When?

One weeps when deeply sorrowful, and Jesus is no exception.

Matthew tells us:

26.38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: abide ye here, and watch with me.

It's here in Gethsemane that He wept.

Putting together the Gospel accounts we have this extremely sad picture:

He is exceedingly sorrowful, and leaves the disciples:

Luke 22.41 And he was parted from them about a stone’s cast; and he kneeled down and prayed

Mk.14. 35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass away from him.

Mt.26.39 And he went forward a little, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass away from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.

So he started by kneeling down to pray, but it became so terrible that He fell on the ground, presumably on all fours, then on His face - I suspect praying and weeping and sweating what looked like great drops of blood.

Luke 22.42 saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

God heard Him and answers:

43 And there appeared unto him an angel from heaven, strengthening him.

The appearance of the angel, far from easing the burden, worsens His feelings:

44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat became as it were great drops of blood falling down upon the ground.

It is here that He wept. And shouted out His requests to God - the 'strong crying'. This is how the disciples knew what He was saying and could record it for us.

I am certain, from reading the Psalms, that there were many other unrecorded times when He wept, but this is the greatest one of all.

Psalm 42 seems most relevant here:

5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him for the health of his countenance.

6 ¶ O my God, my soul is cast down within me: therefore do I remember thee from the land of Jordan, and the Hermons, from the hill Mizar.
7 Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts: all thy waves and thy billows are gone over me.

[I am drowning, O Lord]

8 Yet the LORD will command his lovingkindness in the day-time, and in the night his song shall be with me, even a prayer unto the God of my life.

...and was heard, in that He feared, and was delivered from death.

Asyncritus

This is not mere emotionalism. God loves and weeps at our sins. This is not the same as the hurts we hang onto when we suffer for our own foolishness.

 

[Elijah674]

Reba



D4C



'Crying' does not translate into weeping. The verb is used about 'shouting' and raising the voice, as shown in the two illustrations I quoted.

'Tears' does translate into weeping.

Lu 7:38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

Good post. We find Christ in Matt. 23 with a type of His Midnight Cry. Surely this was also twofold in His weeping as verse 38 ibid documents their Virgin House (Rev. 2:5) Candelstick was to be removed. 'Behold your house [IS LEFT UNTO YOU DESOLATE].'

And as you say about one type of crying, surely the parable of Matt. 25 finds the message given with understanding to it in Matt. 10:5-6 on.

Also Isa. 58:1-2 finds one type of 'thy voice like a trumpet' and the reason.

Yet, although Christ was sinless, he died quickly for the sin's of the repentant as I see it. And felt the weight that caused 'these' ones to cry for help & THEIR REAL Godly Sorrow!
Take note here in Matt. 26

[58] But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end.
[59] Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
[60] But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
[61] And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
[62] And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
[63] But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
[64] Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
[65] Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
[66] What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.
[67] Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,
[68] Saying, Prophesy unto us, thou Christ, Who is he that smote thee?
[69] Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
[70] But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
[71] And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
[72] And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
[73] And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
[74] Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
[75] And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

--Elijah

PS:
And 'bitterly' means what? This should help one to understand 'hate' of sin, needs to be seperated from any personal judgement of hatred for sinners. For only Christ can read anothers heart. Note Luke 22:31-34's before Peter's conversion & then the command of Christ given.

[31] And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
[32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
[33] And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
[34] And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I think the point we're supposed to glean from Christ's loud cries and tears is we are to pray earnestly and with fervency.

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16 KJV

I think of Hanna, and Hezekiah, and Jeremiah off the top of my head when I think of earnest, fervent, effectual prayer (James uses the example of Elijah). I do know it seems if we're serious and determined when we seek God, so God will be serious and determined and in his response.

 

[Elijah674]

I think the point we're supposed to glean from Christ's loud cries and tears is we are to pray earnestly and with fervency.

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16 KJV

I think of Hanna, and Hezekiah, and Jeremiah off the top of my head when I think of earnest, fervent, effectual prayer (James uses the example of Elijah). I do know it seems if we're serious and determined when we seek God, so God will be serious and determined and in his response.

Jethro, Elijah here:
If you have ever cleared out a real country woods then you will understand what Christ meant by He being the VINE & us being the branches!

I have cleared out several such places. Most of these large vines I had to cut off at the bottom (some 4" across) and hook a chain to my truck & them, to get them loose. And then when they finally came loose they lay out on the ground aprox. 75 or 80 ft. long!

The forum will get the point perhaps? That is how hard [ALL OF] mankind has been strived with by the Holy Spirit. And CRYING and TEARS?? The question has one wondering how much more Christ could do than finally give up His Life.

Surely the ones of Gen. 6:3 + Matt. 7's Broadway ones along with the last 'chance' ones of Rev. 17:1-5 will produce many tears in their judgement to the saved. And all tears are not seen as wiped away until the Holy City decends.

Some where one needs to understand that we still have time to do the hard & unpopular work of warning!

--Elijah