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Works of the flesh

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Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV):

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5 - Passage Lookup - King James Version - BibleGateway.com



Can someone give an example of "variance," "emulations," "wrath," "strife," "seditions," and "heresies?"
 
Most of what you see on here :-)

Seriously. I am guilty as guilty can be. Go to Galatians 5 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version) and look the definitions up according to their number. You will see that they are all 'alike' but different ways of how we relate to one another and God.

Pretty much anything that is not done out of love as defined in 1 Corinthians chapter 13.
 
Can someone give an example of "variance,"

Paul advises against variance.

and Jesus promised same:

Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Both Jesus and Paul however are speaking in ONE accord...yet the understandings of these SURFACE conflicts can NOT be deciphered without and apart from proper understandings. We would all do ourselves well to know that God deals with EVIL in HEART differently than with GOOD, especially in believers.

The E.O. and the R.C.C. split and have been split for hundreds of years and called each others heretics bound for eternal torture in fire over...THREE WORDS... of the filioque added by the RCC which in their minds indicated 'double procession' of the Holy Spirit from not only The Father....but added

"AND THE SON"

To me it is really quite a petty and pathetic demonstration of VARIANCE and how far believers can slide down the scale of condemnations toward each others. I doubt they will EVER sort it out til Jesus Himself says ENOUGH.

I personally have witnessed groups of believing people openly dividing over SINGLE WORDS...TENSES...TRANSLATION VARIANCES...pronounciations.

Even in the simplest of words like ALL. And in the histories of the various churches, I'm sure some bodies some where divided over as little as a single letter, an apostrophe perhaps? A jot? A tittle?

Anything and any cause can send believers TUMBLING into self justifications and condemnations toward their fellow believers in their causes to be ABSOLUTELY RIGHT and make the other people ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

a dire and dark working...of the heart. Many have gone into the captivity of condemnation over these things.

May all such workings remain in the dust bin of evil history in dead mens bodies where they belong. And pity to the hearts of any foolish enough to get caught in these traps.

Such workings are TRULY craziness in actions. And PRIDE trumpets ALL such separations, demanding others to BOW DOWN or BURN ALIVE FOREVER.

Were there evidence of EVIL MEGALOMANIA in believers, such is the case openly and constantly demonstrated.

Personally, I see it is possible that at the end, every man can be utterly divided from every man, just as the scriptures have foretold:

Ezekiel 38:21
And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

Haggai 2:22
And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother.

Jeremiah 34:17
Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour:

behold, I proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence, and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

And some will be led to watch...and to avoid such workings for the plague, famine and sword that it is.

"And Jesus said unto his disciples, "Whom do men say that I am?" And His disciples answered unto Him, "Master, thou art the supreme eschatological manifestation of omnipotent ecclesiastical authority, the absolute, divine, sacerdotal monarch."

"And Jesus said, "What!?"

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Galatians 5:19-21 (KJV):

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5 - Passage*Lookup - King James Version - BibleGateway.com



Can someone give an example of "variance," "emulations," "wrath," "strife," "seditions," and "heresies?"


Variance: the state, quality, or fact of being variable, divergent, different, or anomalous.

Emulations: effort or desire to equal or excel others.

Wrath: strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.

Strife: igorous or bitter conflict, discord, or antagonism:

Seditions: incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

Heresies: opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, esp. of a church or religious system.


Nutshell: anything that causes trouble and goes against God is wrong ...
 
Variance: the state, quality, or fact of being variable, divergent, different, or anomalous.

Emulations: effort or desire to equal or excel others.

Wrath: strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire.

Strife: igorous or bitter conflict, discord, or antagonism:

Seditions: incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

Heresies: opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, esp. of a church or religious system.


Nutshell: anything that causes trouble and goes against God is wrong ...

I'm having a little trouble understanding "variance." Can you (or anyone) give an example?

For "seditions," does that mean we can not rebel against the government in any situation? Wouldn't it be OK to rebel against a government that forces us to do things that God doesn't want us to do?
 
I'm having a little trouble understanding "variance." Can you (or anyone) give an example?

For "seditions," does that mean we can not rebel against the government in any situation? Wouldn't it be OK to rebel against a government that forces us to do things that God doesn't want us to do?

The examples I gave are modern meanings but I'm inclined to believe that 'variance' for example is like a person swinging from one thing to another and not follow God properly. I suppose like blowing hot and cold.

For 'seditions' again I'm inclined to believe it's to rebel against authority and in this case, God is the authority, so it's probably explaining that to rebel against God is wrong ...
 
I'm having a little trouble understanding "variance." Can you (or anyone) give an example?

In other versions, "variance" is translated as "discord" (NIV), "strife" (NASB) and "deilur" (Icelandic Bible). The Icelandic word "deilur" means "disputes" or "arguments".

For "seditions," does that mean we can not rebel against the government in any situation? Wouldn't it be OK to rebel against a government that forces us to do things that God doesn't want us to do?

Besides the KJV, all the other versions I checked (NIV, NASB, YLT) had "dissensions". Since none of the others have anything to do with secular government, but are about our personal beliefs and behavior, I doubt that "seditions" has anything to do with govt. either. However, even if this verse doesn't address our attitude toward the government, other verses do. We are to obey the civil authorities unless they require us to violate God's laws in some way, even if we disagree with or don't like what the government is doing. Even though we would probably think they had every reason to do so, neither Jesus nor the apostles ever justified rebelling against Rome. I doubt that anyone today has more reason to rebel against their govt. than Jesus or the apostles did, so I would say that we shouldn't rebel against the govt.
 
In other versions, "variance" is translated as "discord" (NIV), "strife" (NASB) and "deilur" (Icelandic Bible). The Icelandic word "deilur" means "disputes" or "arguments".

Would "variance" include "debate?" For example, say a family member and I disagree on a topic in sports... Is it OK for us to debate the topic (all in fun)?

I'm just trying to get a good understanding of the boundaries of "variance" and what constitutes "variance..."
 
Would "variance" include "debate?" For example, say a family member and I disagree on a topic in sports... Is it OK for us to debate the topic (all in fun)?

I'm just trying to get a good understanding of the boundaries of "variance" and what constitutes "variance..."

If it's "all in fun", as you say, then I would say that that isn't variance, at least not in the way this verse uses that word. I understand it to mean a situation that arises out of anger or where emotions get out of hand.
 
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