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Rom 10:


1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Sincerity and religious zeal is no guarentee that one is in a right relationship with God, that is , its no sure thing that they are saved from their sins.

Many have not the Spiritual Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, and are trusting in their zeal and tradition to make it in.

We will see in the day of Judgment, the awful shock many will meet with Matt 7:



21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

No doubt, these people were very sincere in their religion and meant well, but they will not meet with a well done my good and faithful servant, but a stern rebuke, I never knew you, depart from men ye that work iniquity.

Jesus calls all that sincerity, relgious effort, works of iniquity, for they had not the Knowledge of Gods revelation, His Gospel.

Jesus was not kidding when He stated matt 7:


13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Where do you stand today ? Are you one who is on that broad way, that leadeth to destruction ? Many will be those that go that way. Most all religionists today believe in mans freewill being the determinate factor in salvation ! Probably 99 % of all religions in some fashion believe in mans freewill ability. Many do not believe that the obedience of one, Christ alone, shall make all for whom He died righteous. They insist some kind of obedience of their own must accompany, be it faith, water baptism, repentance or etc..

I warn you, that is the broad way to destruction.. Where do you stand today ? Judgment day is nigh thee.. Is your religion beliefs based upon Knowledge ? Or are you just a sincere , zealous, person, without Knowledge, and have not submitted to the knowledge of God, that Christ, by His obedience alone shall make many righteous..rom 5:


for as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 
Where do you stand today ? Are you one who is on that broad way, that leadeth to destruction ? Many will be those that go that way. Most all religionists today believe in mans freewill being the determinate factor in salvation ! Probably 99 % of all religions in some fashion believe in mans freewill ability. Many do not believe that the obedience of one, Christ alone, shall make all for whom He died righteous. They insist some kind of obedience of their own must accompany, be it faith, water baptism, repentance or etc..

I warn you, that is the broad way to destruction.. Where do you stand today ? Judgment day is nigh thee.. Is your religion beliefs based upon Knowledge ? Or are you just a sincere , zealous, person, without Knowledge, and have not submitted to the knowledge of God, that Christ, by His obedience alone shall make many righteous..rom 5:


for as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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Why warn those who don't have the freewill to submit to the knowledge of God?
If one does submit does that in any way add to Christ's atonement?
 
Why warn those who don't have the freewill to submit to the knowledge of God?
If one does submit does that in any way add to Christ's atonement?

My warning is that one may be on their way to hell, that cannot change them though, thats been determined by God's will before they are born..
 
Where do you stand today ? Are you one who is on that broad way, that leadeth to destruction ? Many will be those that go that way. Most all religionists today believe in mans freewill being the determinate factor in salvation !
I, for one, believe that man "freely" accepts the offer of salvation. But that certainly does not thereby force me into the position of believing that man's free will is the "determinate" factor in salvation, in the sense that "free will" is the "most important" contributor to the person's salvation.

There is a broadly held misunderstanding here. The view that man has to "freely" accept an offer of salvation does not logically necessitate the further assertion that man's free willl action is in any sense the most important factor, or even a significant factor, in the result of a man being saved.
 
In Chapter 5 vs 19 Paul gives a Truth on How Man is made righteous before God, rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Jews of His day did not submit themselves to this knowledge as rom 10 advises us..

Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.


2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

The Gospel reveals a righteousness from heaven rom 1:

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom 5 19 is a integral part of that Gospel message of How one is made righteous. Its by the obedience of one..not two !

Most today are ignorant of Gods way of righteousness, and when it is shown, they reject it..
 
drew:

I, for one, believe that man "freely" accepts the offer of salvation.

Thats another myth of men, there is no such thing as a offer of salvation to men.

Salvation as a gift is given to some, those Christ died for. By Christ obedience, the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous, that is receive salvation as a free gift.

Rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

They receive Justification of life rom 5:

even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

It comes upon all men unto Justification of life, not offered to all men unto Justification of life.

So a offer is unbiblical..
 
Thats another myth of men, there is no such thing as a offer of salvation to men.
I do not see where you, or others, have made any kind of credible case that an element of free will is not at work in the matter of humans attaining salvation.

Salvation as a gift is given to some, those Christ died for. By Christ obedience, the obedience of one, many shall be made righteous, that is receive salvation as a free gift.

Rom 5:

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
This simply does not rule out human freel will in the salvation process. I can coherently assert that it is by Jesus' obedience that we are made righteous, even if we need to freely accept that gift.

I imagine you might respond by claiming that the text never says that righteousness results from the combined effect of Jesus' act of obedience and the free will choices of men.

Well, that's not a very convincing argument. It entails effectively insisting that Paul "tell us everything in every statement". It is entirely reasonable to believe in the free will element and yet make the general statment that the essential factor in human jusitification is the obedience of Jesus.

I hope to make a more detailed argument about this in the future.
 
drew:

I
do not see where you, or others, have made any kind of credible case that an element of free will is not at work in the matter of humans attaining salvation

It does not matter what you see or dont see. Can you provide a scripture that states that salvation is offered ?
 
drew:

This simply does not rule out human freel will in the salvation process
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The process is accomplished by the obedience of one. Rom 5:

so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 
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