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  1. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    You’re right. So let’s use that same exegetical approach to examine another verse about the reason Jesus spoke to the crowd in parables: And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the...
  2. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    I can show you what Paul meant by this term in Chapter 4 (and have numerous times), but it’s up to you to believe him or not. I’m not in the business of defining terms but I can read and post links to those who are. It’s above my pay-grade. Even Paul says the definition he’s using in Chapter...
  3. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Do you believe Paul said those who are Christ’s have (past tense) crucified the flesh? And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians%205:24&version=NKJV
  4. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    That’s because being ‘un-born again’ is an oxymoron. Un-born negates born, just like a-theism negates Theism. Once you’re born, you’ve been born. You cannot be not born (i.e un-born). You can be born again (twice) or you can die but you cannot be born zero times (un-born) having once been...
  5. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear. 17 For truly I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it. 18 “Hear then the parable of the sower. Matthew...
  6. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    And the ones of Christ Jesus crucified the flesh, with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Galatians%205:24&version=DLNT Do you believe the ones of Christ Jesus crucified (past tense) the flesh with its passions and desires?
  7. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Good point, let’s see if it sticks. That’s exactly what the passage is saying in reality. And just think, it makes the top of the list of the ‘best verses ...’ It’s simply the difference between “you” (believers) and “them” (unbelievers), right there in the Text. If anyone is not abiding in...
  8. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    So you and JLB both believe that the people Paul talked about in 1 Timothy 4:1-5 were never known by Jesus?
  9. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    With all do respect, you’re wrong about that ⬆️. And I’m in a much better position to speak for chessman than you are. Here’s two examples of what Paul and I both think it means to “depart from the faith” in this sentence: Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will depart...
  10. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Well, it certainly wasn’t the Gospel. That’s anachronistic. Jesus hadn’t even died and rose yet. But it tells us what they received, the word about the Kingdom of God found in Isaiah 6. He quoted it for a reason: In the year of the death of Uzziah the king, I saw the Lord sitting on a high...
  11. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    If you read the rest of Paul’s sentence, without chopping it off, you too can understand what he means by “depart from the faith” in this sentence: But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying-attention-to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons...
  12. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    I didn’t say you or “us”. I said “them”.
  13. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Did they Rocky soil obey the word? That’s your interpretation, not Jesus’. Were the High Priests and Scribes (who hated Jesus) not persecuted by the Romans because of the word about the Kingdom of God (versus the Roman Empire)? And these are like the ones sown on the rocky ground, who...
  14. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Goodness Wondering! Jesus tells you the reason (singular) He spoke to them in parables. What I said the reason was matches what He said. Your reasons don’t. And you didn’t support any of the 4 with Jesus’ teaching on why He spoke to them in parables. But I did. Who said anything about us...
  15. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    For this reason I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand, and with reference to them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says, “ You will listen carefully and will never understand, and you will look closely and will...
  16. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Does the Biblical word for believe include obey?
  17. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    In the case of this particular parable, we HAVE it’s divine interpretation. But what was sown on the good soil—this is the one who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces, this one a hundred times as much , and this one sixty, and this one thirty.” Matthew 13:23 -...
  18. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    Why does Peter start out this sentence with “but”?
  19. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    It’s 34 pages on this parable alone (not to mention his notes). I’ll post some of his points under some of yours. They correspond! But first, some overall points he makes about it: 1. ...other than Matthew’s parables of the Wheat and the Weeds and the Net, it’s the only parable given a...
  20. chessman

    Some of the best NT verses threatening loss of salvation

    See, when Paul means the faith which is in Christ Jesus, He says so in his sentences. You chopped off his sentence where he explained exactly what he means by “depart from the faith”. I did. The underlined part in the rest of Paul’s sentence, which you chopped off again.
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