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Deborah13 said:
I'm not sure that you are fellow shipping with me anymore seeing you agreed with Jethro's post that he couldn't but I'm stick my neck out and take that chance.
I think we have scripture in the NT that shows that one spouse is the perfect will of God. Paul instructs that the elders can only have one wife. Therefore, seeing that they are the examples to others in the church of a Godly person and life style then that is the lay persons guidelines.
Not only that polygamy is illegal in this country.
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context, if a man desires to be a bishop let him be a man of one wife. that's the only limit. polygamy is going to fall as far being illegal.

my state license doesn't is more of a certificate recording the act of marriage and by having that I don't have pay for a will, I don't need it. though a trust fund is better. I didn't see your response to the problem of the records of lineages and the property lines of the widow and men whom owned land. it would have to be known what is what and whom. they had to record you were married. the torah defined(licensed) those that could marry or not. isreal was a theocracy not a secular neutral nation .
 
jasonc said:
context, if a man desires to be a bishop let him be a man of one wife. that's the only limit. polygamy is going to fall as far being illegal.

my state license doesn't is more of a certificate recording the act of marriage and by having that I don't have pay for a will, I don't need it. though a trust fund is better. I didn't see your response to the problem of the records of lineages and the property lines of the widow and men whom owned land. it would have to be known what is what and whom. they had to record you were married. the torah defined(licensed) those that could marry or not. isreal was a theocracy not a secular neutral nation .
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What did the Torah define.....An Israelite could only marry another Israelite. But we see that they didn't follow that law. We see the same thing in the NT, do not be unevenly yoked.
As far as what Israel did I don't know what that has to do with America. America was not and never has been a theocracy.
Land was documented by deeds, titles, or warrants. In our family there was a man named David who owned a mercantile business in Philadelphia. He married Mary but no one knows exactly when, no records. He then obtained a Blunston Land Warrant in Cumberland Valley, PA in 1731. He later moved and purchased several plantations in NC. I could go on and tell you who inherited those 4 or 5 plantations and who inherited them the next generation and when one was sold and the counties they were in.
It's not like there weren't any business transaction and land titles documented. Business contracts may and may not have been in writing. Sheesh....there were people who signed their names with an X. People wrote wills, etc. Family Bibles are treasures of information so are cemeteries.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Given the time and the culture we live in today I would not attend a church nor fellowship with 'Christians' who decided they don't have to 'get' married--for what that means in this culture--to be married. I could not honestly fellowship with people who are having sex without being married. That has been recognized as, and considered, fornication for so long in our culture that there is no excuse for the Spirit-filled Christian to just decide they can do that and can call it 'marriage' just because they want to.

It makes my blood boil every time I see what the church has done to the grace of God. Frankly, I'm appalled at the number of people in this forum who have rationalized sleeping with someone who you are not married to.
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What if they had the pastor marry them? no licence
 
reba said:
What if they had the pastor marry them? no licence
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Marriage License Requirements
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While it may not be the romantic or glamorous part of planning a wedding, getting a marriage license is required in all 50 states. Each state has its own requirements that must be fulfilled before getting a marriage license; here is a summary of the most common requirements. As always, double check your particular state's laws, as the requirements may change.

A Blood Test

Only one state requires couples intending to get married to get a blood test as one of their marriage license requirements: Montana (PDF). Why? The rationale is that premarital blood tests help check a partner for diseases. This is an almost obsolete requirement, but it still exists in the state of Montana. Female applicants under the age of 50 must submit to a blood test for rubella (measles).

A Waiting Period after Applying to Get Married

Some states require a waiting period after applying for a marriage license but before receiving the license to ensure that couples have time to really think things out and be certain that they're making "the right decision." No spur of the moment, Elvis weddings for couples in these states.

Here is a list of common waiting periods, and the states that have them.

1 day: South Carolina
3 days: Alaska, District of Columbia, Florida (unless couple attends a marriage preparation class), Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington
5 days: Minnesota
6 days: Wisconsin

A Waiting Period After Receiving a Marriage License

In addition to the above waiting period, some states include as one of their marriage license requirements a waiting period between the time you receive your marriage license and the time you can actually, legally, get married. Most states allow you to get married immediately, but here are the ones that don't and how long you have to wait.

1 day: Delaware, Illinois, New York
2 days: Maryland
3 days: Iowa, Louisiana, Texas

How Long Until Your Marriage License Expires

Once you've received your marriage license, it is only valid for a certain amount of time. Here's how long you have before your license expires and you have to reapply for another.

10 days: Oklahoma
30 days: Alabama, Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Utah, Wisconsin
35 Days: Colorado
60 days: Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia
90 days: Alaska, California, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Texas
6 months: Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, Montana, New Jersey
1 year: Arizona, Nebraska, Nevada, Wyoming
Other: Connecticut (65 days), Michigan (33 days), South Dakota (20 days)
No expiration: District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, New Mexico, South Carolina

Consult an Experienced Family Law Attorney

If you and your partner are considering a getting married, you may need an experienced family law attorney. A good lawyer will ensure that all of your marriage license requirements are met before walking down the aisle. Keep in mind that it's important to speak to a lawyer familiar with the laws in your jurisdiction. Most offer free consultations, so your first step should be to contact an experienced family attorney.

- See more at: http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/marriage-license-requirements.html#sthash.DhDx9Cmz.dpuf
 
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the PDF file says .
Marriage License Requirements
Each state has its own requirements that must be fulfilled before getting a marriage license; here is a summary of the
most common requirements. As always, double check your particular state’s laws, as the requirements change constantly.

it doesnt say,,, not where i can see, you have to get the licence.
 
reba said:
the PDF file says .
Marriage License Requirements
Each state has its own requirements that must be fulfilled before getting a marriage license; here is a summary of the
most common requirements. As always, double check your particular state’s laws, as the requirements change constantly.

it doesnt say,,, not where i can see, you have to get the licence.
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http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/marriage-license-requirements.html

While it may not be the romantic or glamorous part of planning a wedding, getting a marriage license is required in all 50 states. Each state has its own requirements that must be fulfilled before getting a marriage license; here is a summary of the most common requirements. As always, double check your particular state's laws, as the requirements may change.
What am I missing? It looks to me like you have to have a marriage license to get married.
 
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Kathi said:
Marriage License Requirements
55 14.7K
Download article as a PDF
While it may not be the romantic or glamorous part of planning a wedding, getting a marriage license is required in all 50 states. Each state has its own requirements that must be fulfilled before getting a marriage license; here is a summary of the most common requirements. As always, double check your particular state's laws, as the requirements may change.

A Blood Test

Only one state requires couples intending to get married to get a blood test as one of their marriage license requirements: Montana (PDF). Why? The rationale is that premarital blood tests help check a partner for diseases. This is an almost obsolete requirement, but it still exists in the state of Montana. Female applicants under the age of 50 must submit to a blood test for rubella (measles).

A Waiting Period after Applying to Get Married

Some states require a waiting period after applying for a marriage license but before receiving the license to ensure that couples have time to really think things out and be certain that they're making "the right decision." No spur of the moment, Elvis weddings for couples in these states.

Here is a list of common waiting periods, and the states that have them.

1 day: South Carolina
3 days: Alaska, District of Columbia, Florida (unless couple attends a marriage preparation class), Kansas, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington
5 days: Minnesota
6 days: Wisconsin

A Waiting Period After Receiving a Marriage License

In addition to the above waiting period, some states include as one of their marriage license requirements a waiting period between the time you receive your marriage license and the time you can actually, legally, get married. Most states allow you to get married immediately, but here are the ones that don't and how long you have to wait.

1 day: Delaware, Illinois, New York
2 days: Maryland
3 days: Iowa, Louisiana, Texas

How Long Until Your Marriage License Expires

Once you've received your marriage license, it is only valid for a certain amount of time. Here's how long you have before your license expires and you have to reapply for another.

10 days: Oklahoma
30 days: Alabama, Delaware, Hawaii, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Tennessee, Utah, Wisconsin
35 Days: Colorado
60 days: Arkansas, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia
90 days: Alaska, California, Maine, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Texas
6 months: Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, Montana, New Jersey
1 year: Arizona, Nebraska, Nevada, Wyoming
Other: Connecticut (65 days), Michigan (33 days), South Dakota (20 days)
No expiration: District of Columbia, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, New Mexico, South Carolina

Consult an Experienced Family Law Attorney

If you and your partner are considering a getting married, you may need an experienced family law attorney. A good lawyer will ensure that all of your marriage license requirements are met before walking down the aisle. Keep in mind that it's important to speak to a lawyer familiar with the laws in your jurisdiction. Most offer free consultations, so your first step should be to contact an experienced family attorney.

- See more at: http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/marriage-license-requirements.html#sthash.DhDx9Cmz.dpuf
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This site is incorrect. I think I know what the law is in my state of Colorado.
Common-Law Marriage
A common-law marriage in Colorado is valid for all purposes, the same as a ceremonial marriage. Only death or divorce can terminate it. The common-law elements of a valid marriage are that the couples (1) are free to contract a valid ceremonial marriage, i.e., they are not already married to someone else; (2) hold themselves out as husband and wife; (3) consent to the marriage; (4) live together; and (5) have the reputation in the community as being married. The single most important element under the common law was the mutual consent of a couple presently to be husband and wife. All the rest were considered evidence of this consent or exchange of promises. No time requirement exists other than the time necessary to establish these circumstances. When proof of common law marriage is required, such as by an insurance company, a signed affidavit can be presented. For a sample affidavit, click here.

Common-law marriage is a term used to describe a marriage that has not complied with the statutory requirements most states have enacted as necessary for a ceremonial marriage. The name came from the fact that these marriages were recognized as valid under the common law of England. In 1877, the United States Supreme Court stated, in an action that questioned the validity of a nonceremonial marriage, that marriages that were valid under common law were still valid unless the state passed a statute specifically forbidding them. Meisher v. Moore, 96 U.S. 76 (1877). Since the Colorado legislature has never enacted such a statute, Colorado is part of the minority of states that recognize the validity of common-law marriages.
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral....ource_guide/common_legal_questions#common_law
Common-law marriage in the United States can still be contracted in nine states (Alabama, Colorado, Kansas, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Iowa, Montana, Utah and Texas)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States
 
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Deborah13 said:
This site is incorrect. I think I know what the law is in my state of Colorado.
Common-Law Marriage
A common-law marriage in Colorado is valid for all purposes, the same as a ceremonial marriage. Only death or divorce can terminate it. The common-law elements of a valid marriage are that the couples (1) are free to contract a valid ceremonial marriage, i.e., they are not already married to someone else; (2) hold themselves out as husband and wife; (3) consent to the marriage; (4) live together; and (5) have the reputation in the community as being married. The single most important element under the common law was the mutual consent of a couple presently to be husband and wife. All the rest were considered evidence of this consent or exchange of promises. No time requirement exists other than the time necessary to establish these circumstances. When proof of common law marriage is required, such as by an insurance company, a signed affidavit can be presented. For a sample affidavit, click here.

Common-law marriage is a term used to describe a marriage that has not complied with the statutory requirements most states have enacted as necessary for a ceremonial marriage. The name came from the fact that these marriages were recognized as valid under the common law of England. In 1877, the United States Supreme Court stated, in an action that questioned the validity of a nonceremonial marriage, that marriages that were valid under common law were still valid unless the state passed a statute specifically forbidding them. Meisher v. Moore, 96 U.S. 76 (1877). Since the Colorado legislature has never enacted such a statute, Colorado is part of the minority of states that recognize the validity of common-law marriages.
http://www.coloradoattorneygeneral....ource_guide/common_legal_questions#common_law
Common-law marriage in the United States can still be contracted in nine states (Alabama, Colorado, Kansas, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Iowa, Montana, Utah and Texas)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States
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I am not talking about Common-law marriage I am talking about a real legal marriage.
 
reba said:
What if they had the pastor marry them? no licence
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With no specific case or circumstances being mentioned, I would generally say he's demonstrating his rebellion. I would not go to his church. And I would not fellowship as Christians with his people.
 
reba said:
in Colorado what we term as common law marriage is every bit as legal as a licensed one in California
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Like the influence of tattoos, this license-less 'marriage in the mind' will one day not be a point of contention in the church because the culture everyone grows up in will have changed. When that happens it will be impossible to keep sexually immoral people out of the church because there will be no discernible difference between fornicators and those who are 'married'. Why? Because marriage will have been thoroughly reduced to a state of mind.
 
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