Jim Parker
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First, let me state what I mean by "salvation."
By "salvation" I mean "having eternal life."
Jhn 15:1-6
1. I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
The passage is an extended metaphor in which the Father is represented by the vinedresser; Jesus is represented by the vine; and His disciples are represented by the branches. It is an agricultural metaphor with which the disciples, as well as the general public, would be familiar.
V.1
The Vine (Jesus) is the source of life for the branches. (Jhn 1:4)
The branches (disciples) get their nourishment from the vine and have life by being "in Christ", being connected to the vine. (Gal 2:20; Rom 6:23)
The purpose of the branches is to bear fruit. (otherwise, why plant a vineyard?)
V.2
The Father removes (NIV: "Cuts off") from Christ every disciple who does not bear fruit. ( 2 PE 1:5-10)
And He "prunes" those disciples who do produce fruit so that they will be more fruitful.
Pruning is a procedure by which a vinedresser removes excess foliage which is not necessary for the health of the vine but which uses nourishment which could better be used for producing fruit. These would be like the "thorns" in the parable of the sower (Luke 8) which choked the plant and prevented it from being fruitful.
In order to have eternal life (be saved) one must be united to Christ or, "in Christ." (1Jo 5:12)
Someone who is "in Christ" (in the vine) has eternal life.
Someone who has been cut off from the vine no longer has eternal life.
V.4 This contains the instruction of Jesus to His disciples to remain (abide) in Him. The fact that He gives this instruction of necessity includes the possibility that they might not remain in Him. Otherwise, if it were impossible for them not to abide in Christ, there would be no reason to tell them to do so.
V.6 This verse tells us the consequence of not remaining in Christ. He is cast out, gathered up, and thrown into the fire.
This is a warning that those who do not remain in Christ will be cast into hell.
iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)
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By "salvation" I mean "having eternal life."
Jhn 15:1-6
1. I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5. I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
The passage is an extended metaphor in which the Father is represented by the vinedresser; Jesus is represented by the vine; and His disciples are represented by the branches. It is an agricultural metaphor with which the disciples, as well as the general public, would be familiar.
V.1
The Vine (Jesus) is the source of life for the branches. (Jhn 1:4)
The branches (disciples) get their nourishment from the vine and have life by being "in Christ", being connected to the vine. (Gal 2:20; Rom 6:23)
The purpose of the branches is to bear fruit. (otherwise, why plant a vineyard?)
V.2
The Father removes (NIV: "Cuts off") from Christ every disciple who does not bear fruit. ( 2 PE 1:5-10)
And He "prunes" those disciples who do produce fruit so that they will be more fruitful.
Pruning is a procedure by which a vinedresser removes excess foliage which is not necessary for the health of the vine but which uses nourishment which could better be used for producing fruit. These would be like the "thorns" in the parable of the sower (Luke 8) which choked the plant and prevented it from being fruitful.
In order to have eternal life (be saved) one must be united to Christ or, "in Christ." (1Jo 5:12)
Someone who is "in Christ" (in the vine) has eternal life.
Someone who has been cut off from the vine no longer has eternal life.
V.4 This contains the instruction of Jesus to His disciples to remain (abide) in Him. The fact that He gives this instruction of necessity includes the possibility that they might not remain in Him. Otherwise, if it were impossible for them not to abide in Christ, there would be no reason to tell them to do so.
V.6 This verse tells us the consequence of not remaining in Christ. He is cast out, gathered up, and thrown into the fire.
This is a warning that those who do not remain in Christ will be cast into hell.
iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)
DISCLAIMER: By reading the words posted above, you have made a free will choice to expose yourself to the rantings of iakov the fool. The poster assumes no responsibility for any temporary, permanent or otherwise annoying manifestations of cognitive dysfunction that, in any manner, may allegedly be related to the reader’s deliberate act by which he/she has knowingly allowed the above rantings to enter into his/her consciousness. No warrantee is expressed or implied. Individual mileage may vary. And, no, I don't want to hear about it. No sniveling! Enjoy the rest of your life here and the eternal one to come.