Bible Study The 3 Baptisms

[for_his_glory]

this going back and forth with correction is getting old.. there are many things i disagree with others belief in this forum . but they have the God given right to be that way..

If we disagree we should never point fingers and say one is in error, but to give and discuss that of what and how we believe as we share the scriptures with each other. None of us knows everything and the Holy Spirit will use another to bring light to that which we might be missing within the scriptures.

We have to remember there are many that come to these forums that are not yet Spiritually born again that are seeking answers to their questions. When all they see is the brethren arguing among themselves this will cause many to turn away and quit seeking. We will be held accountable if even one lost sheep remains lost because of our actions.

 

[Jim Parker]

Water baptism was from John the baptist. We are to be baptized in the Spirit.

The following is scripture straight from the Bible.

It says that believers were baptized in water AND in the Holy Spirit.

Mat 28:18-19
This is Jesus' "Great Commission":
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

And that is what the primitive Jerusalem Church did in obedience to Jesus' command.

Phillip in Samaria
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act 8:14-17
Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Phillip on the road to Gaza
Acts 8:36-38
And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "See, here is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?" And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he replied, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Peter at the house of Cornelius.
Act 10:44-47
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

Hopefully, you see that believers were baptized both in water and the Holy Spirit.

 

[ezra]

Hopefully, you see that believers were baptized both in water and the Holy Spirit.

no denial of both its just water baptism does not generate the spirit baptism which takes place at the new birth

 

[for_his_glory]

Hopefully, you see that believers were baptized both in water and the Holy Spirit.

Of course they were as no one is arguing that. Yet they are two different baptisms. John's was for the remission of sin done in water as we still do today as and outward testimony before others that you have asked God for forgiveness. The water was a symbol of being washed clean, but not for receiving the Holy Spirit. Christ baptism is that of the Holy Spirit that He indwells us with as our comforter and teacher. This does not come by being immersed in water.

Peter did not say that it was through water that we receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:47, 48 he was saying that others should not forbid a Gentile who wants to be immersed in water, but repentance must come first and at the same time of repenting we also receive the Holy Spirit according to Acts 2:38,39.

 

[LovethroughDove]

The following is scripture straight from the Bible.

It says that believers were baptized in water AND in the Holy Spirit.

Mat 28:18-19
This is Jesus' "Great Commission":
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

And that is what the primitive Jerusalem Church did in obedience to Jesus' command.

Phillip in Samaria
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Act 8:14-17
Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Phillip on the road to Gaza
Acts 8:36-38
And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "See, here is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?" And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he replied, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.

Peter at the house of Cornelius.
Act 10:44-47
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

Hopefully, you see that believers were baptized both in water and the Holy Spirit.

I see baptizing as baptism of the Holy Spirit. Period, end of the story.
When I see baptizing in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit.........Baptism of the Spirit (now, since the Spirit has been given)

If people go into the water with the belief I did when the Spirit fell upon me, then of course they will be baptized. But, I wasn't in the water when it all happened to me.

The common denominator for ALL these baptizing scriptures: Belief and what you are believing

 

[Jim Parker]

just water baptism does not generate the spirit baptism

I totally agree.
They are two different baptisms.
In water is to rid the believer of the "old man of sin" and "In the Holy SPirit" is to make the believer a son of God.

 

[Jim Parker]

Of course they were as no one is arguing that. Yet they are two different baptisms. John's was for the remission of sin done in water as we still do today as and outward testimony before others that you have asked God for forgiveness. The water was a symbol of being washed clean, but not for receiving the Holy Spirit. Christ baptism is that of the Holy Spirit that He indwells us with as our comforter and teacher. This does not come by being immersed in water.

Peter did not say that it was through water that we receive the Holy Spirit in Acts 10:47, 48 he was saying that others should not forbid a Gentile who wants to be immersed in water, but repentance must come first and at the same time of repenting we also receive the Holy Spirit according to Acts 2:38,39.

OK.
Water and Spirit baptism are, as you say, two different baptisms.
Jesus said to be baptized in water. (In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.)
That is done by other believers.
Jesus is the baptizer in the Holy Spirit.

Yes?

 

[Jim Parker]

I see baptizing as baptism of the Holy Spirit. Period, end of the story.

That is incorrect as I have attempted to show you by posting the passages which tell us that people were baptized both in water and in the Holy Spirit.
Would you like to see them again?

 

[Jim Parker]

If we disagree we should never point fingers and say one is in error,

So should I never tell a Jehovah's Witness that his view of Jesus as a creature is in error?
Or should I not tell a Mormon that his religion is not Christian because it is polytheistic and teaches taht a creature can become divinity through good works just like God the Father did.
Did Paul tell Peter that he was in error?
Did the the Jerusalem council, in deciding that the Gentiles were not required to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses, not tell the "party of the Pharisees" that they were in error?
Did Jesus not tell the Scribes and Pharisees that they were in error due to their traditions?
Did He not tell the Sadducees that they were in error concerning the resurrection.

When did this notion that Christians were not to declare error to be error arise?

When was it decided that we should tolerate error in order not to offend anyone?

Should we allow a believer to continue in error and acting contrary to the teaching of Christ in order to avoid offending him?

Is inoffensive peace more important than the eternal life for which Christ died and rose from the grave to give us?

(Those are rhetorical questions not directed at you personally)

Yes, we may disagree over minor issues.

But Baptism is not a minor issue. It is a command of Jesus Who is our LORD and God. (Assuming that we actually do try to obey Him)

No, I am not angry but I am close to tears

 

[ezra]

So should I never tell a Jehovah's Witness that his view of Jesus as a creature is in error?
Or should I not tell a Mormon that his religion is not Christian because it is polytheistic and teaches taht a creature can become divinity through good works just like God the Father did.
Did Paul tell Peter that he was in error?
Did the the Jerusalem council, in deciding that the Gentiles were not required to be circumcised and keep the Law of Moses, not tell the "party of the Pharisees" that they were in error?
Did Jesus not tell the Scribes and Pharisees that they were in error due to their traditions?
Did He not tell the Sadducees that they were in error concerning the resurrection.

When did this notion that Christians were not to declare error to be error arise?

When was it decided that we should tolerate error in order not to offend anyone?

Should we allow a believer to continue in error and acting contrary to the teaching of Christ in order to avoid offending him?

Is inoffensive peace more important than the eternal life for which Christ died and rose from the grave to give us?

(Those are rhetorical questions not directed at you personally)

Yes, we may disagree over minor issues.

But Baptism is not a minor issue. It is a command of Jesus Who is our LORD and God. (Assuming that we actually do try to obey Him)

No, I am not angry but I am close to tears

if one is in complete error yes we are to correct in love Galatians 6;1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

5 For every man shall bear his own burden.

6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

where was the exact error ?

 

[ezra]

I totally agree.
They are two different baptisms.
In water is to rid the believer of the "old man of sin" and "In the Holy SPirit" is to make the believer a son of God.

this is a good start .. you are saying it different than the rest.

 

[JLB]

If you look at that from my viewpoint, since the water is the word then don't forbid people from water. How churches are setup currently, we restrict the water flow. That is just how I see it.

that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,​

Ephesians 5:26​

The water refers to the Spirit, that washes and cleanses us.

The word is the mirror that we look in to see where we need to cleanse ourself.


Paul is referring to the laver in the ot that sat outside the door of the tabernacle, in which the priest would wash his hands and feet before entering the presence of God to minister.



JLB

 

[JLB]

You're neglecting to mention Baptism in fire?

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, which is one baptism that first occurred on the day of Pentecost.


Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 2:3-4


I don’t believe these are two separate baptism’s but the baptism with the Holy Spirit with a manifestation of fire.


God is a consuming fire.


JLB

 

[JLB]

i hate to ask this question but i will are you serious??????????????????? read real close please not going to keep repeating ..each time i do for some reason it gets more complicated .. WATER H20 BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE ANYONE. THE THIEF ON THE CROSS WAS NOT BAPTIZED... but yet went to paradise with Christ. go back and re read all my post nothing has changed Baptism follows salvation { He just said “WAS not baptized”.} the thief on the cross ..read all my post please

I read the post.


My point is that there is more than one baptism besides H2O.

Just because he wasn’t baptized in water doesn’t mean he was not baptized by the Spirit into Christ.


I prefaced the first post in this new thread by referring to Mark 16... those who believe and are baptized will be saved.

This baptism is associated with believing.


There are three baptisms.


JLB

 

[JLB]

I learned that in a way I can never forget. I'm curious how you think of this?

Please share.

 

[ezra]

I read the post.


My point is that there is more than one baptism besides H2O.

Just because he wasn’t baptized in water doesn’t mean he was not baptized by the Spirit into Christ.


I prefaced the first post in this new thread by referring to Mark 16... those who believe and are baptized will be saved.

This baptism is associated with believing.


There are three baptisms.


JLB

gessshhh i give up between you and jim my head is sore from hitting a brick wall

 

[Truthfrees]

i hope i dont break the golden religious cow with this. the thief on the cross was not baptized. jesus said today you will be with me in paradise. if a person is born again and dies before baptism ..will they go to hell? i seriously doubt it keeps him from heaven. once baptism follows salvation so far JLB is about as close as i agree with

Says who?


Did he believe and confess Jesus as Lord.


Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
Luke 23:42


For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Romans 10:13


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13




JLB

i think ezra was referring to water baptism..

i thought i made it pretty plain .the thief on the cross WAS not baptized yet he went to paradise with Christ... baptism is important but not essential to salvation..

I don’t know.

He just said “WAS not baptized”.






Are you saying it is not necessary for a person to be baptised into Christ by the Holy Spirit to be saved?




JLB

i hate to ask this question but i will are you serious??????????????????? read real close please not going to keep repeating ..each time i do for some reason it gets more complicated .. WATER H20 BAPTISM DOES NOT SAVE ANYONE. THE THIEF ON THE CROSS WAS NOT BAPTIZED... but yet went to paradise with Christ. go back and re read all my post nothing has changed Baptism follows salvation { He just said “WAS not baptized”.} the thief on the cross ..read all my post please

I read the post.


My point is that there is more than one baptism besides H2O.

Just because he wasn’t baptized in water doesn’t mean he was not baptized by the Spirit into Christ.


I prefaced the first post in this new thread by referring to Mark 16... those who believe and are baptized will be saved.

This baptism is associated with believing.


There are three baptisms.


JLB

gessshhh i give up between you and jim my head is sore from hitting a brick wall

i think there has been a misunderstanding here

ezra was talking about the thief on the cross had no chance to be water baptized and yet he was saved/born again/went to heaven because of his faith in Christ as Savior

i think pretty much everyone here believes there are 3 baptisms - and even though water baptism is not salvific (as evidenced by the thief on the cross) - it is commanded by the Lord for believers

God bless all you wonderful brothers and sisters

 

[LovethroughDove]

That is incorrect as I have attempted to show you by posting the passages which tell us that people were baptized both in water and in the Holy Spirit.
Would you like to see them again?

Matthew 3:11 "I baptize you with water (John the Baptist) for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Mark 1:7-8 "And this was his message: "After me (John the Baptist) will come one more powerful than I, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie. I baptize you with water, but he (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

If you are wholly convinced of water baptism, I am not going to hinder that.

Acts 11:15-17 "As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?"

 

[dirtfarmer]

dirtfarmer here

It is my belief that there is only one baptism for the believer, Spiritual baptism. It is Spiritual baptism that places us in Christ. With that baptism comes the sealing with the Spirit.
After we are baptized into the body of Christ with the Spirit there are many filling with the Spirit, which is called sanctification. We are sanctified to accomplish things that God wants us to do by the Spirit.

 

[for_his_glory]

There was a young couple I knew who had been baptised by immersion and later strayed from the Lord. Some years later they returned to the Lord and requested to be baptised again. The pastor agreed.

Was this necessary?

No, as God's grace is sufficient.