Some good Christian heavy metal bands

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

Yes, interesting.

Anyway I'm sure that there are many young Christians from a Fundamentalist background who also happen to like Christian heavy metal and hard rock.

They ought not to be seen as contradictory associations, I don't think.

What God does by His Spirit through faith in the Lord Jesus is change us from the inside, as we seek to serve our generation, not necessarily the culture of two or three generations back.

Blessings.

I guess as the ideas of what is socially appropriate and what is not changes, it's easy to associate that with Christian truths. If they believe that people were more spiritual back then--which may be the case--that might influence it, too. I'd call that the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc: the logical fallacy that because something happens after something else, then the first event must be the cause of the second.
~Wiktionary
So when culture changes, and they see people getting away from God, they assume that the culture change must be the cause of it.

 

[farouk]

I guess as the ideas of what is socially appropriate and what is not changes, it's easy to associate that with Christian truths. If they believe that people were more spiritual back then--which may be the case--that might influence it, too.

questdriven:

Well, yes, your observation is a very thoughtful one, really.

It's a bit like the situation of Jewish believers in the time of the Acts of the Apostles, I guess. They truly believed in the Lord Jesus, but coming from a Jewish background, they had a lot of cultural baggage still, which they really needed to sort out, and not expect to impose that cultural baggage on other born again believers who happened to come from a different background.

I guess — I'm sure — you, as a Christian believer and a hard rock / heavy metal woman in your tastes, have never been part of the culture of Fundamentalism in the 1950s, say. Culture has moved on, in good ways and bad, but while you can be expected to respect other people from where they are coming from, you also as a woman living today with your own sensibilities can reasonably pursue your own course as Christian (as long as the usual provisos for Christians apply; not illegal, immoral or doctrinally false).

So I wish some Fundamentalist preachers could figure this out, as you seem to have.

By the way, is Fireflight working on any new albums, do you happen to know?

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

... I'd call that the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc: the logical fallacy that because something happens after something else, then the first event must be the cause of the second.
~Wiktionary
So when culture changes, and they see people getting away from God, they assume that the culture change must be the cause of it.

questdriven:

PS: I didn't see the rest of your post, sorry.

Anyway I hope your pastor - a good man, I'm sure -, when he gives you grief about music styles, realizes he has some highly intelligent people in the congregation, who need exposition from the Bible, rather that sweeping statements about subjective culture.

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

Well, yes, your observation is a very thoughtful one, really.

It's a bit like the situation of Jewish believers in the time of the Acts of the Apostles, I guess. They truly believed in the Lord Jesus, but coming from a Jewish background, they had a lot of cultural baggage still, which they really needed to sort out, and not expect to impose that cultural baggage on other born again believers who happened to come from a different background.

I guess — I'm sure — you, as a Christian believer and a hard rock / heavy metal woman in your tastes, have never been part of the culture of Fundamentalism in the 1950s, say. Culture has moved on, in good ways and bad, but while you can be expected to respect other people from where they are coming from, you also as a woman living today with your own sensibilities can reasonably pursue your own course as Christian (as long as the usual provisos for Christians apply; not illegal, immoral or doctrinally false).

So I wish some Fundamentalist preachers could figure this out, as you seem to have.

By the way, is Fireflight working on any new albums, do you happen to know?

Blessings.

I wonder if it's largely because I'm still young and have grown up in a different culture.

I don't know. There is a lot of already existing music of their's that I have yet to explore, though.
I'm told that Red is coming out with a new album soon.

 

[farouk]

I wonder if it's largely because I'm still young and have grown up in a different culture.

I don't know. There is a lot of already existing music of their's that I have yet to explore, though.
I'm told that Red is coming out with a new album soon.

Red; oh okay. It will be interesting.

I'm trying to remember, is Jen Ledger with them? or do I mean Skillet.

Yes, what you say about having grown up in a different culture is significant. You shouldn't have to be ashamed of saying you're a woman who likes heavy metal /hard rock.

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Red; oh okay. It will be interesting.

I'm trying to remember, is Jen Ledger with them? or do I mean Skillet.

I'm not sure.

 

[farouk]

Sorry, questdriven, my mistake; it's definitely Skillet that Jen Ledger is with. (I saw the video about her Isaiah 41.9 tattoo a while back.)

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Hi Obadiah:

So how does/did Third Way compare with bands such as Skillet, Fireflight and Red?

 

[Obadiah]

Hi Obadiah:

So how does/did Third Way compare with bands such as Skillet, Fireflight and Red?

They were called Third Day. Their style was more like Skillet than Fireflight or Red. I haven't seen my album in a long time and tried to find some of their music online but didn't have any luck. I guess it's pretty hard to find now and it looks like they haven't been together in a long time. I did see a couple of albums up for auction, but nothing I could download. Not even any sample tracks.

 

[farouk]

They were called Third Day. Their style was more like Skillet than Fireflight or Red. I haven't seen my album in a long time and tried to find some of their music online but didn't have any luck. I guess it's pretty hard to find now and it looks like they haven't been together in a long time. I did see a couple of albums up for auction, but nothing I could download. Not even any sample tracks.

Obadiah:

Okay, ty.

So, more hard rock than heavy metal? or maybe a combination.

Blessings.

PS: Sorry I got the name wrong.

 

[farouk]

..last night my daughter came over for dinner and we have always shared with each other different songs that we have enjoyed. The first band that she pulled up on YouTube was Skillet. She had gone to a concert of theirs a few years back and her favorite song was The Last Night (also Better Than Drugs)...

SueL: So does your daughter listen to a lot of heavy metal / hard rock, maybe?

Blessings.

 

[Carolyn]

You can find HeavensMetal.com online these days. I tried to provide a linc to one of my favorite bands from the 90s but it didn't get posted so maybe you can find it on You Tube yourselves. It is Savior Machine. OK its another of my wierd ones but I love it and saw the band perform in California.
It is Goth/goth metal. I thought it was beautiful, poetic. I have a couple of dozen metal bands in my collection and hve seen Whitecross play in
a grange hall on the coast. Mortal is another one I like as well as Haven and Bride's Snakes in the Playground. But I found that I really like hard rock better. REZ can't be beat. I was sad to learn that they will no longer host their annual Cornerstone rock festavel. I will try to locate some and post a few lyrics if you are interested.

 

[farouk]

You can find HeavensMetal.com online these days. I tried to provide a linc to one of my favorite bands from the 90s but it didn't get posted so maybe you can find it on You Tube yourselves. It is Savior Machine. OK its another of my wierd ones but I love it and saw the band perform in California.
It is Goth/goth metal. I thought it was beautiful, poetic. I have a couple of dozen metal bands in my collection and hve seen Whitecross play in
a grange hall on the coast. Mortal is another one I like as well as Haven and Bride's Snakes in the Playground. But I found that I really like hard rock better. REZ can't be beat. I was sad to learn that they will no longer host their annual Cornerstone rock festavel. I will try to locate some and post a few lyrics if you are interested.

Carolyn:

Yes, please do!

Thanks for your comments. It's really good to hear from another person who knows good deal about Christian metal, and similar styles.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

You can find HeavensMetal.com online these days. I tried to provide a linc to one of my favorite bands from the 90s but it didn't get posted so maybe you can find it on You Tube yourselves. It is Savior Machine. OK its another of my wierd ones but I love it and saw the band perform in California.
It is Goth/goth metal. I thought it was beautiful, poetic. I have a couple of dozen metal bands in my collection and hve seen Whitecross play in
a grange hall on the coast. Mortal is another one I like as well as Haven and Bride's Snakes in the Playground. But I found that I really like hard rock better. REZ can't be beat. I was sad to learn that they will no longer host their annual Cornerstone rock festavel. I will try to locate some and post a few lyrics if you are interested.

questdriven:

Do you happen to know / like any of the bands that Carolyn mentioned?

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

Do you happen to know / like any of the bands that Carolyn mentioned?

Blessings.

No. They sound interesting, though. So many bands, it'll take a while explore them all. xD

 

[farouk]

No. They sound interesting, though. So many bands, it'll take a while explore them all. xD

questdriven:

Carolyn's been married 49 years, she says: so she must know pretty well what she likes.

So no need for anyone to make you feel ashamed you're a hard rock / heavy metal lady yourself! is there.

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I know. Fortunately, the people in my life who do disagree with my tastes in music don't usually comment on it, if at all, and don't consider it as big a deal as other things.
I personally don't care about trying to convince them one way or the other; I don't want people trying to dictate to me what or how to think, so I don't dictate to others what or how to think. I like a good discussion where ideas can be shared respectfully, though.

 

[farouk]

I know. Fortunately, the people in my life who do disagree with my tastes in music don't usually comment on it, if at all, and don't consider it as big a deal as other things.
I personally don't care about trying to convince them one way or the other; I don't want people trying to dictate to me what or how to think, so I don't dictate to others what or how to think. I like a good discussion where ideas can be shared respectfully, though.

questdriven:

I agree.

Savior Machine, that Carolyn mentioned, seems to have a presence on the Web, that I've seen, anyway.

You said about liking respectful discussion, which is right. Unfortunately part of the mindset of some Fundamentalists is to want to keep using sweeping statements merely to reinforce their personal tastes and opinions. (Or at least, making cultural customs of years ago the supposed norm for today, and trying to claim the Bible to back them up.) Only when Scripture itself is being expounded should the dogmatic element come in more. I reckon.

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

I agree.

Savior Machine, that Carolyn mentioned, seems to have a presence on the Web, that I've seen, anyway.

You said about liking respectful discussion, which is right. Unfortunately part of the mindset of some Fundamentalists is to want to keep using sweeping statements merely to reinforce their personal tastes and opinions. (Or at least, making cultural customs of years ago the supposed norm for today, and trying to claim the Bible to back them up.) Only when Scripture itself is being expounded should the dogmatic element come in more. I reckon.

Blessings.

Yeah. Having grown up around that somewhat, I can sort of understand where they are coming from, even if I don't agree on everything anymore. But if they push their ideas relentlessly, they're only going to push people away. Which is what is happening, I think. It's a difficult situation, I guess. I wish people on both sides would be more accepting that not everyone is going to agree with them. That's just the way it is.

 

[farouk]

Yeah. Having grown up around that somewhat, I can sort of understand where they are coming from, even if I don't agree on everything anymore. But if they push their ideas relentlessly, they're only going to push people away. Which is what is happening, I think. It's a difficult situation, I guess. I wish people on both sides would be more accepting that not everyone is going to agree with them. That's just the way it is.

questdriven:

It really does beg the question, doesn't it, why should they feel somehow threatened by your Christian hard rock / heavy metal stance?

As Christians we need to be very sure of our ground Biblically, but, then, if we are, people's different music styles are hardly going to change things. (What they might do, however, is provide opportunities for witness.)

Blessings.

(I gtg shopping now. ttyl.)