Angels Do Not Have Sex

[th1b.taylor]

Sure thing Bill ! It's funny how the older we get the more youngsters are about.

I did not get old until I could no longer go up and then it took a fall from 4 floors up before I accepted a saw on the ground. You are still washing windows... That's young!

 

[agua.]

JLB The agree or disagree.. true or false.... yes,,, no..... posts are just about meaningless they do not invite discussion ...to give you the idea here is a one for you...

The Word says
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
Gen 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
Gen 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days

True or false Agree or disagree. With God's Word....

I'm gonna stick up for JLB here. He isn't suggesting anything living on the Earth wasn't destroyed.

 

[Deborah13]

JLB
KJV
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
H5303 -
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
YLT
Gen 6:4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them--they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

KJV
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
H5303 -
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
YLT
Num 13:33 and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

So first we have established that it is the exact same word, H5303 - nephil, used in both Gen.6:4 and in Num. 13:33.

Do you agree?

 

[agua.]

KJV
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
H5303 -
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
YLT
Gen 6:4 The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them--they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

KJV
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
H5303 -
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.
YLT
Num 13:33 and there we saw the Nephilim, sons of Anak, of the Nephilim; and we are in our own eyes as grasshoppers; and so we were in their eyes.'

So first we have established that it is the exact same word, H5303 - nephil, used in both Gen.6:4 and in Num. 13:33.

Do you agree?

I agree yes ma'am !

 

[th1b.taylor]

You'll get tired of me interjecting on this point I'm sure Why does the stipulation that the Nephilim after the flood which came from the line of Ham negate that they could be sired by Angels? Women ( daughters of men ) also came from Ham.

Ahhh! No, I enjoy thoughtful questions. First of all the scripture being discussed is before the Flood and has naught to do with after the Flood. That makes that Rabbit Trail leading straight into the sticky briar bushes, not a good place to find one's self. And the question can never arise if the Christian of today will obey the clear Word of God to judge all fruit of men righteously, Matt. 7 the first paragraph. The world has taught the pretender Christian to stop reading at verse 1 but verse 1 is just the introduction and the meat is further in.

And as I has staunchly reminded folks, Angels do not have, some, perverted form of sex with Human Women, Angels are Spirit Beings without extension in Space and Time except the God, Who has no part with sin participate in the sin with all of the parties involved.

it just ain't so my friend.

 

[Deborah13]

You'll get tired of me interjecting on this point I'm sure Why does the stipulation that the Nephilim after the flood which came from the line of Ham negate that they could be sired by Angels? Women ( daughters of men ) also came from Ham.

Let's just follow the scripture wherever it takes us. I just want us to look at what the scriptures say about Nephilim after the flood. It may not make any difference when we get to the end but maybe we can put this to rest and just say we don't know or just don't agree.

 

[agua.]

The word translated "habitation" in the KJV could mean the 'body' or the dwelling place of a spirit. It could also mean a region or area such as heaven. You seem to be certain in your assertion that angels were created with bodies (in flesh) and that's all Jude could have meant. Your conclude that they left them (their bodies) to fornicate with human females. I'm lost in all this speculation but that's okay.

Angels left 'their first estate'. They left their habitation. Does this necessarily mean that angels were created in flesh? Were they given the ability to procreate with other flesh originally?

Jud 1:6 KJV And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation(oikētērion), he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

2Co 5:2-4 KJV For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house ( oikētērion) which is from heaven: (3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. (4) For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

Hey sparrow I thought I'd add a little interesting tidbit to the habitation definition. The word used in Jude to describe what the Angels left ,
oikētērion, is the same word used to describe the new Body we will receive after the resurrection. It's not conclusive but this word is only used in these 2 scriptures.

 

[agua.]

Let's just follow the scripture wherever it takes us. I just want us to look at what the scriptures say about Nephilim after the flood. It may not make any difference when we get to the end but maybe we can put this to rest and just say we don't know or just don't agree.

Sure Deb no worries. Remember though that the Nephilim before the flood came about from the Sons of God ( whatever they are ) procreating with women.

 

[agua.]

Ahhh! No, I enjoy thoughtful questions. First of all the scripture being discussed is before the Flood and has naught to do with after the Flood. That makes that Rabbit Trail leading straight into the sticky briar bushes, not a good place to find one's self. And the question can never arise if the Christian of today will obey the clear Word of God to judge all fruit of men righteously, Matt. 7 the first paragraph. The world has taught the pretender Christian to stop reading at verse 1 but verse 1 is just the introduction and the meat is further in.

And as I has staunchly reminded folks, Angels do not have, some, perverted form of sex with Human Women, Angels are Spirit Beings without extension in Space and Time except the God, Who has no part with sin participate in the sin with all of the parties involved.

it just ain't so my friend.

Yeah ok Bill. Nephilim did exist both pre and post flood though as Deb is showing us. I'm a little curious why this idea of Angels having sex gets us squeemish and we think it's too disgusting to be true when we see what actually has and doers go on in this world. I don't see it as any more/less revolting than bestiality.

Also we know that Angels have taken human form and did eat and appear to function as we do.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Any way Agua,
You are almost good enough to be considered Construction Personnel. In all the decades I constructed homes I never found a girly man or woman that could e offended with the truth of any matter. Some of my best employees were ex-cons and women rejected of society. They could get right into my face and we could even go toe to toe but we never parted without breaking to pop a top and get over it, the lasses included.
There are some hard ladies that can drive nails out of a twenty pound gun 16 hours a day and still do an incredible Texas Two step.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Also we know that Angels have taken human form and did eat and appear to function as we do.

Okay, right here is a systemic growth of the issue. You, I know because I have studied, cannot support what you have said here. You state that angels have taken human form (Edited, ToS 2.4, comment to discredit. Obadiah.) but that, rather, you did not reread what you had recorded and considered, just, what you implied and what some here have decided to be true. The angels are created to be the Spiritual Servants of God and they are Spirit Beings but have none of the power of God.

For them to have taken, rather than to have been given, extension into Time and Space is a completely different matter. If angels had the power to take a body the false narrative being regurgitated here would or could, indeed, be possible but they do not have that option.
(Edited, ToS 2.5, calling out a member over a previous unrelated dispute. Obadiah) (Edited, ToS 2.8, Do not announce who is on your "ignore list". Obadiah)

 

[Obadiah]

Thread closed AGAIN because of numerous complaints. I will look at it more closely when I get home from work and see what can be done to re-open it then. Until then, lets take a time out.

 

[Obadiah]

Thread re-opened again.

 

[agua.]

Any way Agua,
You are almost good enough to be considered Construction Personnel. In all the decades I constructed homes I never found a girly man or woman that could e offended with the truth of any matter. Some of my best employees were ex-cons and women rejected of society. They could get right into my face and we could even go toe to toe but we never parted without breaking to pop a top and get over it, the lasses included.
There are some hard ladies that can drive nails out of a twenty pound gun 16 hours a day and still do an incredible Texas Two step.

I've done a little construction work too Bill ( a novice though I can help frame up a house with guidance and lay iron roofing, hang a door or lay a deck etc ) but couldn't complete a large project without instruction. My nail guns haven't been used for quite a while ( I have Hitachi 90 AD framer and a small bradder ) The truth can be offensive mate but the trick is to let it stand on it's own 2 feet without our colourful additions.

Okay, right here is a systemic growth of the issue. You, I know because I have studied, cannot support what you have said here. You state that angels have taken human form (Edited, ToS 2.4, comment to discredit. Obadiah.) but that, rather, you did not reread what you had recorded and considered, just, what you implied and what some here have decided to be true. The angels are created to be the Spiritual Servants of God and they are Spirit Beings but have none of the power of God.

For them to have taken, rather than to have been given, extension into Time and Space is a completely different matter. If angels had the power to take a body the false narrative being regurgitated here would or could, indeed, be possible but they do not have that option.
(Edited, ToS 2.5, calling out a member over a previous unrelated dispute. Obadiah) (Edited, ToS 2.8, Do not announce who is on your "ignore list". Obadiah)

Ok Bill so you accept Angels can assume fully human form but your contention is that this can only be done if God instructs it ? How do you know this is true ?

 

[Edward]

Not so Edward, I stand on scripture. Once again read Genesis 10 and follow it through to who the Bible says the Nephilim were. Look at post # 287 as well.
The Nephilim were mighty men after the flood and they were the descendents of Ham thorough his son and grandson. They were the Canaanite tribes, which included the Amorites. King Og was an Amorite king. Goliath was a Philistine.

imo
So unless one is suggesting that someone on the Ark carried the genetics of fallen angels, the whole angel theory falls apart.
Can you interpret the scriptures in post # 287? They seem pretty clear to me.

Good morning Deborah. I did get your answers for you last night, but in fact I see that His_nee (Jeff) did essentially answer your question for you with this:

http://www.angelfire.com/az/rainbowbridge/nephilim.html

E.W.Bullinger elaborated Scripturally as well:

"But we read of the Nephilim again in Num 13:33 "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen 6:4, where we read: (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness). So that, "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second influx of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan"."

much more of potential interest is at that link, but it is untested.
E.W.Bullinger is tested, and most often correct in his findings. Still, test everything.

The answer becomes clear in the structure if the sentence "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" / First it tells us that there were Nephilim in the land in those days and also after that...then it goes on to tell us...when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and had children with them. So yes, they did it twice. Before and after the flood. So Nephilim genes did not have to be upon the ark, (nor did they have a need to do it genetically at the time, that may have become an idea to them after Jesus came). I think what it all really come down to is who are the Sons of God? If we could look at the entire bible to get our context for this, is the only real way to do it. The other two views prevelant are that they were Nobles, which is an idea brought out through orthodox judaism I believe, or that the godly sons of Seth married the bad daughters of men. Let's revist all three and see if we can confirm or deny any such claim of the three choices.

Nobles?:
There is nothing in scripture that even hints at them being religious nobles. (Do you have any?)
How would religious nobles marrying the daughters of men, get the Lord angry enough to destroy the world anyway???
How would giants come from such a marriage anyway?
This has no scriptural support and makes no sense whatsoever.

The Sons of Seth?:
The big problem with this is that God said that the only people that were righteous were Noah and his sons!
How could Seths sons be godly and marry evil daughters of men at the same time?
If the issue was "mixed marriages" then the Wrath should have only been between Seths sons and their wives, yes?
God destroyed the entire earth sans Noah and his sons, why would He do this if Seths sons were so godly?
How did giants come these normal human marriages?
(Extrabiblically, Josephus did say that Seths sons were not godly, but I wont go there, stick to scripture.)
Nothing about the sons of Seth computes, sorry.

That leaves us with proving by context the fallen Angel view. Let's jump right in, shall we and use the entire bible for context and support?! (Warning, new scriptures found!) Can we agree that the only truth in the universe is that which proceeds from the mouth of God? I think so.

Fallen Angels?:
Job 1:6
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them./(KJV)

We know that Satan came before God to ask permission to tempt Job, but notice that the Sons of God came with him.
Do human men typically come before the throne of God?
Does Satan hang out with men?
Here is a hint that these are fallen Angels.

Job 2: 1
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord./(KJV)

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?/(KJV)

God is speaking of the creation of the world here. The Sons of God were THERE. Who is suggesting that the sons of God are MEN and were present at the creation of the world?! Mankind did not exist yet! These were Angels brothers and sisters.

Daniel 3:23-25
23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.

25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God./(KJV)

For clarity;

Daniel 3:23-25
23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace.

24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?”

They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.”

25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”/(NIV)

Here we see the distinction between men and angelic/spiritual beings. As the KJV reads (singular) this could be Jesus Himself, or as the NIV reads, may be construed to be an Angel. (Take your pick). Either way the distinction is clearly there. They put 3 MEN in the fire, now there's 4 and the 4th looks...(like a spiritual being).

How did the king know which one was which? He had some sort of reference knowledge to draw upon. He knew, he stated it. He';s seen Angels before I think. One doesn't become king being a dummy. He didn't make this up, he knew what he was looking at. He knew men, he knew Angels.

Hosea 1: 10
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God./(KJV)

Uh-oh, this is a prophecy! This speaks future tense...shall be called the sons of God. It is speaking of human men (Israelites, Gods people!). In the future they will be called the sons of God. Not until the resurrection day is my thought, but it does make the point that at that present time, men are not called sons of God.

John 1: 12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:/(KJV)

Praise the Lord brothers and sisters! Here is our New Testament promise that us who believe have been given the power to become the sons of God! Huh. "To become" So I'm not now. This is future tense also. I wonder when this will be? Will it happen in the twinkling of an eye when we receive our new glorified bodies? Makes sense to me brothers and sisters. We wont be human anymore. Born from above. All of these scriptures indicate or even plainly tell us that sons of God are not human at all. Adam was also a son of God because he originated from God. All of Adam's descendants are sons of Adam.While we are in our physical bodies, we are not sons of God. We may be called sons of God in a spiritual sense, but this is on the inside, a renewing of our spirit, heart, and mind. We have the power to become the sons of God by being overcomers and keeping the faith until the end, where we will receive our glorified bodies and become the sons of God. We will not take on the role of sons of God until the return of the Messiah and we are sealed and changed.

So in all of the bible Angels, the Messiah, Adam, and born again believers are called and defined as "sons of God."

I prayed about this to our Lord Jesus Christ. I asked for it to be revealed to me the truth of this once and for all. That if I was wrong, to please show me because I certainly do not want to mis-represent the living God. I didn't realize these other scriptures were there before, but this is what I was given, and where I was led brothers and sisters. Please prayerfully consider these things. As distasteful as it is...it is the truth. Herein has scripture shown who are the Sons of God. Plenty of context, plenty of supporting scriptures. May I suggest that we follow Deborahs most excellent advice to stick with the scriptures if you choose to respond to this. This is a good discussion and we don't need name calling here. Bless you all in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

 

[Edward]

Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Ok brother I think I see what you're saying, and thank you for the scripture. Keep in mind that this is Paul writing, this is post Jesus Christ. In the OT, not everyone had the Holy Spirit! Only certain big names like Moses and so forth. If certain men were being led by the Spirit of God...would the Spirit of God lead them into unholy marriages that would anger God enough to destroy the world? I think not brother!

 

[JLB]

Romans 8:14
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.

Yes sir.

I would add this to your long list of scriptures about the distinction between men and sons of God.

36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:36

and again -

Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 1 John 5:1

A son of God is a reference to those who are born of God or created by God Himself.

Man can not begat a son of God.


JLB

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Edward, I referred simply to present, current, today :
as in "are", not "will be" (very rare on earth, so few. almost no examples to point to, to show to edify and encourage and direct).
true, the physical 'body' we still wear, the earthy 'tent' is not the permanent one, we have to endure to the end,

 

[Deborah13]

Good morning Deborah. I did get your answers for you last night, but in fact I see that His_nee (Jeff) did essentially answer your question for you with this:

The answer becomes clear in the structure if the sentence "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" / First it tells us that there were Nephilim in the land in those days and also after that...then it goes on to tell us...when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and had children with them. So yes, they did it twice. Before and after the flood. So Nephilim genes did not have to be upon the ark, (nor did they have a need to do it genetically at the time, that may have become an idea to them after Jesus came). I think what it all really come down to is who are the Sons of God? If we could look at the entire bible to get our context for this, is the only real way to do it. The other two views prevelant are that they were Nobles, which is an idea brought out through orthodox judaism I believe, or that the godly sons of Seth married the bad daughters of men. Let's revist all three and see if we can confirm or deny any such claim of the three choices.

Nobles?:
There is nothing in scripture that even hints at them being religious nobles. (Do you have any?)
How would religious nobles marrying the daughters of men, get the Lord angry enough to destroy the world anyway???
How would giants come from such a marriage anyway?
This has no scriptural support and makes no sense whatsoever.

The Sons of Seth?:
The big problem with this is that God said that the only people that were righteous were Noah and his sons!
How could Seths sons be godly and marry evil daughters of men at the same time?
If the issue was "mixed marriages" then the Wrath should have only been between Seths sons and their wives, yes?
God destroyed the entire earth sans Noah and his sons, why would He do this if Seths sons were so godly?
How did giants come these normal human marriages?
(Extrabiblically, Josephus did say that Seths sons were not godly, but I wont go there, stick to scripture.)
Nothing about the sons of Seth computes, sorry.

That leaves us with proving by context the fallen Angel view. Let's jump right in, shall we and use the entire bible for context and support?! (Warning, new scriptures found!) Can we agree that the only truth in the universe is that which proceeds from the mouth of God? I think so.

Fallen Angels?:
Job 1:6
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them./(KJV)

We know that Satan came before God to ask permission to tempt Job, but notice that the Sons of God came with him.
Do human men typically come before the throne of God?
Does Satan hang out with men?
Here is a hint that these are fallen Angels.

Job 2: 1
2 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord./(KJV)

Job 38:4-7
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?/(KJV)

God is speaking of the creation of the world here. The Sons of God were THERE. Who is suggesting that the sons of God are MEN and were present at the creation of the world?! Mankind did not exist yet! These were Angels brothers and sisters.

Daniel 3:23-25
23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.

25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God./(KJV)

For clarity;

Daniel 3:23-25
23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace.

24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?”

They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.”

25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”/(NIV)

Here we see the distinction between men and angelic/spiritual beings. As the KJV reads (singular) this could be Jesus Himself, or as the NIV reads, may be construed to be an Angel. (Take your pick). Either way the distinction is clearly there. They put 3 MEN in the fire, now there's 4 and the 4th looks...(like a spiritual being).

How did the king know which one was which? He had some sort of reference knowledge to draw upon. He knew, he stated it. He';s seen Angels before I think. One doesn't become king being a dummy. He didn't make this up, he knew what he was looking at. He knew men, he knew Angels.

Hosea 1: 10
10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God./(KJV)

Uh-oh, this is a prophecy! This speaks future tense...shall be called the sons of God. It is speaking of human men (Israelites, Gods people!). In the future they will be called the sons of God. Not until the resurrection day is my thought, but it does make the point that at that present time, men are not called sons of God.

John 1: 12
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:/(KJV)

Praise the Lord brothers and sisters! Here is our New Testament promise that us who believe have been given the power to become the sons of God! Huh. "To become" So I'm not now. This is future tense also. I wonder when this will be? Will it happen in the twinkling of an eye when we receive our new glorified bodies? Makes sense to me brothers and sisters. We wont be human anymore. Born from above. All of these scriptures indicate or even plainly tell us that sons of God are not human at all. Adam was also a son of God because he originated from God. All of Adam's descendants are sons of Adam.While we are in our physical bodies, we are not sons of God. We may be called sons of God in a spiritual sense, but this is on the inside, a renewing of our spirit, heart, and mind. We have the power to become the sons of God by being overcomers and keeping the faith until the end, where we will receive our glorified bodies and become the sons of God. We will not take on the role of sons of God until the return of the Messiah and we are sealed and changed.

So in all of the bible Angels, the Messiah, Adam, and born again believers are called and defined as "sons of God."

I prayed about this to our Lord Jesus Christ. I asked for it to be revealed to me the truth of this once and for all. That if I was wrong, to please show me because I certainly do not want to mis-represent the living God. I didn't realize these other scriptures were there before, but this is what I was given, and where I was led brothers and sisters. Please prayerfully consider these things. As distasteful as it is...it is the truth. Herein has scripture shown who are the Sons of God. Plenty of context, plenty of supporting scriptures. May I suggest that we follow Deborahs most excellent advice to stick with the scriptures if you choose to respond to this. This is a good discussion and we don't need name calling here. Bless you all in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for taking a look at them but I was hoping that you would comment on what you saw in them. His_Nee made a post of Bullinger's view of Genesis 6, which were not the scriptures I had asked you to review. They were from Genesis 10, Deut, and Numbers.

The scriptures you have posted are scriptures to support your view which have been presented many, many times in these threads. I would like to study some other scriptures that have never been used that I can remember and some that have been.
Although I do have a view I am trying to set that aside in the favor of looking at the scriptures with an open mind.

So I asked one question in post # 323. agua gave his answer and I've been waiting to allow for other answers rather like a Bible study if you will.
If we can agree to what is in post 323 then we can move on, if not then there is no agreement to be found because it is the simplest of agreements.