Can we be liberal and Biblical?

[Dave Slayer]

Can we be liberal and Biblical? Are they oxymorons?

 

[handy]

Yes and no.

Yes, Christians can be liberal.

No, that's not an oxymoron.

I spend a lot of time on conservative forums. Often I want to shout, "Jesus is NOT a right-wing, American Republican!!!"

I also attend the very liberal ELCA and there I often want to shout, "Jesus it NOT a left-wing, American Democrat.

Liberal and Conservative are two words that have been hijacked here in American politics almost to the point where we are going to have to re-write dictionaries.

 

[Nick]

Yes and no.

Yes, Christians can be liberal.

No, that's not an oxymoron.

I spend a lot of time on conservative forums. Often I want to shout, "Jesus is NOT a right-wing, American Republican!!!"

I also attend the very liberal ELCA and there I often want to shout, "Jesus it NOT a left-wing, American Democrat.

Liberal and Conservative are two words that have been hijacked here in American politics almost to the point where we are going to have to re-write dictionaries.

I love your posts, handy. Very well said.


In short, my answer would be yes.

 

[GojuBrian]

Define liberal and I can answer.

handy put it very nicely.

 

[All Englands Skies]

To be honest, ive always seen trying to group Christian faith into right or left wing ideoligies is one of the most unbiblical things.

shouldnt we just follow the Christ and not be defined by modern politics?

 

[Lance_Iguana]

Personally I wish religion and politics would stay out of each other's business. Since religions usually tries to keep within themselves and its people, while politics tries to incorporate the whole. Mixing the 2 worlds just causes way to much of a headache, and it usually the most popular religion that ends up making all the other ones whithin the society miserable. Even if its not intentional.

 

[jeremiahj13]

I say no. Christians can not be liberal.

 

[All Englands Skies]

I say no. Christians can not be liberal.

I agree.

But dare i say it?

I do not think Christians can be "conservative" neither.

they're both modern terms, applied to a set of ideals.

Now Christianity, has ideals in it, some that would fit into the modern "conservative" catogory and others that fit into the modern "liberal" catogory.

Thats why i stress the importence to be and act Christian, rather than to camp out in groups of "conservative Christians" and "liberal Christians"

 

[jasoncran]

I say no. Christians can not be liberal.

I agree.

But dare i say it?

I do not think Christians can be "conservative" neither.

they're both modern terms, applied to a set of ideals.

Now Christianity, has ideals in it, some that would fit into the modern "conservative" catogory and others that fit into the modern "liberal" catogory.

Thats why i stress the importence to be and act Christian, rather than to camp out in groups of "conservative Christians" and "liberal Christians"

i say amen to that, but much of liberal doctrine is also anti scriptural, that why i vote toward the other party even though they are heading that way as well.

jason

 

[Lance_Iguana]

I say no. Christians can not be liberal.

I agree.

But dare i say it?

I do not think Christians can be "conservative" neither.

they're both modern terms, applied to a set of ideals.

Now Christianity, has ideals in it, some that would fit into the modern "conservative" catogory and others that fit into the modern "liberal" catogory.

Thats why i stress the importence to be and act Christian, rather than to camp out in groups of "conservative Christians" and "liberal Christians"

i say amen to that, but much of liberal doctrine is also anti scriptural, that why i vote toward the other party even though they are heading that way as well.

jason

US government and politics as a whole is anti scriptural thanks to the first amendment's purpose to give all religions an equal footing. Disobeying the first commandment.

 

[jasoncran]

i'm talking about abortion and the gay rights movement and also the legalization of marijuana, and euthansia(assisted suicide) and other. anti-scriptural refers to the above not the acts of governing i understand the seperation of church and state and wont derail this thread on that

jason

 

[Lance_Iguana]

It was the Conservatives original point to keep the constitution as it is. Meaning that conservatives supported the first amendment. Meaning they were for putting all religion on an equal pedestal.

The conservatives are also pro gun ( I am to an extent), pro death penalty, and pro alcohol ( a more dangerous chemical then THC).

Both idealisms are not exactly buddy buddy with the teaching of Jesus and Paul.

 

[jasoncran]

It was the Conservatives original point to keep the constitution as it is. Meaning that conservatives supported the first amendment. Meaning they were for putting all religion on an equal pedestal.

The conservatives are also pro gun ( I am to an extent), pro death penalty, and pro alcohol ( a more dangerous chemical then THC).

Both idealisms are not exactly buddy buddy with the teaching of Jesus and Paul.

i agree on that statement, i know then line on that, but see the thread on is american a christian nation, oy vay on that one

jason

 

[All Englands Skies]

i say amen to that, but much of liberal doctrine is also anti scriptural, that why i vote toward the other party even though they are heading that way as well.

jason

Yes, i mean, its obvious your going to vote for which ever clashes less with Chistian ideals.

 

[handy]

I've always been an independent, voting for the person rather than the party. Lately, I've not voted either Democrat or Republican. I really think that the Republicans view Christians as kind of "useful idiots".

If you really take a good look at the way the government has expanded and the way that government has eroded personal freedoms and the way that all but a few high-profile issues have been handed, the Republicans have done far more than the Dems at pushing us toward out and out socialism.

Obama hasn't changed the course of this country at all. He's just speeding things up a bit.

 

[jeremiahj13]

I say no. Christians can not be liberal.

I agree.

But dare i say it?

I do not think Christians can be "conservative" neither.

they're both modern terms, applied to a set of ideals.

Now Christianity, has ideals in it, some that would fit into the modern "conservative" catogory and others that fit into the modern "liberal" catogory.

Thats why i stress the importence to be and act Christian, rather than to camp out in groups of "conservative Christians" and "liberal Christians"

You twisted my ideology to fit your agenda lol. I believe CHRISTIANS should be conservative. Its time to quit being such wimps and quit trying to stay neutral in the political war. I got news for you;
Liberal politics kicked God, prayer, and bible-reading out of school, its legalizing gay marriage in a growing number of states, in legalized murder of the unborn innocent, and its causing islam to take over the world.

Im a conservative Christian, and dam proud of it.

 

[All Englands Skies]

I say no. Christians can not be liberal.

I agree.

But dare i say it?

I do not think Christians can be "conservative" neither.

they're both modern terms, applied to a set of ideals.

Now Christianity, has ideals in it, some that would fit into the modern "conservative" catogory and others that fit into the modern "liberal" catogory.

Thats why i stress the importence to be and act Christian, rather than to camp out in groups of "conservative Christians" and "liberal Christians"

You twisted my ideology to fit your agenda lol. I believe CHRISTIANS should be conservative. Its time to quit being such wimps and quit trying to stay neutral in the political war. I got news for you;
Liberal politics kicked God, prayer, and bible-reading out of school, its legalizing gay marriage in a growing number of states, in legalized murder of the unborn innocent, and its causing islam to take over the world.

Im a conservative Christian, and dam proud of it.

Not really, id say my politics are Conservative too.

Only i dont define my faith by it and its nothing to do with being a wimp, i think absorbing politics into faith it detrimental to faith in Christ in the long run, you start siding with whatever suits your political slant, rather the emulating the life of Christ.

and if stopping Islam mean becoming and acting just like them, i dont want to be part of it.