Hello everyone, I hope all reading this are doing well. I recently converted to Christianity, and I'm so truly happy about it. I'm a cannabis user however, and I use it for a number of issues, including chronic pain, sleeplessness, and appetite problems. I only want to do what the Lord intends for us to, and I can't find a real answer on this topic. I used to use it 3 times a day and for fear of overindulgence I made it once a day at the end of the day. But I'm just trying to see if it's not ok in the eyes of the Lord. I don't become lazy or lost in the clouds like some do, I function just fine with it, so I'm not in an intoxicated state when I use it, or at least don't feel that way. Any help and clarity on the issue is very appreciated, I'm not looking for an excuse to keep using if it's bad, I just want to be sure it's something I need to give up considering how much it helps my ailments. God bless all of you!
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Christ_empowered
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I think in the USA part of the push to legalize is because big companies are making money off of it:
Corn Pop
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That's what it will be. Even if it is legalised and controlled that just means regulation and huge profits for a couple billion dollar corporations and an offensive for everyone else.
I'm all for legalising weed on conditions people can grow a couple plants for personal use so it's fair ground and not profit for a handful.
Indeed. I see CBD products everywhere. And the price is sky high.
Corn Pop
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Unless it's fair ground legalising weed is just a scam where everyone gets duped.
Legalise weed, yea only so it's regulated so it's rigged and growers get ripped off and some big corporation makes billions and the governemnt gets ther cut like all regulated industries.
Legalise weed so people can grow there own for personal use as well I agree with, but of course in the name of health and safety the exact same weed plant would have to only be regulated and prescribed so a handful become billionaires and the government get there cut, everyone else gets ripped off. Complete scam.
Legalise weed, yea only so it's regulated so it's rigged and growers get ripped off and some big corporation makes billions and the governemnt gets ther cut like all regulated industries.
Legalise weed so people can grow there own for personal use as well I agree with, but of course in the name of health and safety the exact same weed plant would have to only be regulated and prescribed so a handful become billionaires and the government get there cut, everyone else gets ripped off. Complete scam.
One difference might be that the prescribed meds are regulated dosages whereas the use of Marijuana is not and therefore more easily abused.
Christ_empowered
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I dunno 
I’ve experienced doctors prescribing excessive doses of controlled substances. I was a teenager with good insurance. Then all the problems were somehow my fault.
I’ve experienced doctors prescribing excessive doses of controlled substances. I was a teenager with good insurance. Then all the problems were somehow my fault.
gsw331, one thing that I do not see being addressed in this discussion is the question of legal use. Using Marijuana in most states, actually close to about 1/2, in the US is not legal. Scripture tells us that we are to obey the governing authorities (Romans 13:1-7) unless the laws conflict with God's law (Acts 5:26-29).
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
Romans 13:1-7 NKJV
Hebrews 13:17 also tells us to obey our leaders.
26 Then the captain went with the officers and brought them without violence, for they feared the people, lest they should be stoned.
27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them,
28 saying, “Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!”
29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men."
Acts 5:26-29 NJKV
I know of nowhere in Scripture where God said using Marijuana was a requirement. If you are using illegally, then my answer to your question above is, "Do not use it." To do so, would be sinful.
Here's a more detailed examination and explanation.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-government.html
That can happen as well especially when drugs have not been used much or with doctors that have less experience, although it is rare. It still does not warrant personal use outside the law for we certainly are unqualified to make those decisions.I dunno
I’ve experienced doctors prescribing excessive doses of controlled substances. I was a teenager with good insurance. Then all the problems were somehow my fault.
Christ_empowered
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Again…
I dunno
My experience being prescribed excessive doses of benzodiazepines and amphetamines as a teenager and then not only having to deal with the fallout but being blamed for the whole thing…
Is decriminalizing weed do people can smoke if they feel like it so terrible?
I dunno
My experience being prescribed excessive doses of benzodiazepines and amphetamines as a teenager and then not only having to deal with the fallout but being blamed for the whole thing…
Is decriminalizing weed do people can smoke if they feel like it so terrible?
I understand there are forms of cannabis that are entirely medicinal, providing no..."buzz" to the cannabis user, just an easing of pain. But I know of no "medical" user of cannabis who isn't also indulging the drug recreationally, or to deal with psychological issues that show up in sleeplessness, anxiety, depression, etc.. If the use of cannabis was purely medical, I don't think a Christian could make a case against such use, but the connection of cannabis to recreational drug use and to drugs of a much "harder" kind, used also as a "mind/mood stabilizer," seem to me to make using cannabis an unnecessarily risky and tricky business. There are other very effective pain-relievers available that carry no attachments to all this other stuff.
Paul the apostle wrote that he would not be brought under the power of anything (save God, of course) [1 Corinthians 6:12]. A way to see if you've been brought under the power of something is to leave off it and observe how you react to the thing's absence. If you can't function easily without it, if its absence is disturbing, if its absence leaves you scattered, and distracted, and uncomfortable (or worse), you've come under that thing's power and ought to forsake it permanently. Obviously, I'm not talking here about necessary things like food and water, or rest, or one's job, or clothing, etc., but things one can actually do without - if one wasn't bound under their power (cell phone, cigarettes, video games, sugar, booze, gambling, and so on).
God commands all of His children to be at all times under the control of the Holy Spirit, submitted to his will and way, a "living sacrifice" to their holy Creator.
Romans 8:14
14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 6:13
13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
Romans 12:1
1 Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.
James 4:6-8
6 But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, "GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE."
7 Submit therefore to God...
1 Peter 5:6
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time,
And so on. In light of the necessity to be always under God's control, how can one partake of anything that impinges on His control, that diminishes it, or competes with God for control of oneself? This is why addiction of any kind in the life of a disciple of Jesus is sinful: The addiction has control in the believer's life that God should have. And so, we read this sort of command in Scripture:
Ephesians 5:18
18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
The command here isn't merely not to be drunk, but to be filled with the Spirit, instead - the implication being that one cannot be both at the same time. The Christian is to be aimed every day at being filled (that is, controlled and thus filled) with the Holy Spirit and anything that dilutes or hinders this condition must be forsaken.
So, what is the case with your use of cannabis? God will show you, if you're not sure. In humility and submission, ask Him to reveal if your use of cannabis is playing with fire and/or leading you under the power of something other than Him.
Psalm 139:23-24
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
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I'll share what my wife has experienced. Back in January, 2012, she slipped on icy steps at her place of employment. At the time, she didn't even fall down but managed to catch herself with the handrailing. She felt a little pain in her left leg but thought it was a muscle cramp. She finished the day at work and didn't think too much of it.
Over the course of the next couple days, her leg got worse and by the 3rd day she was unable to get out of bed. We took her in and she was diagnosed with 3 herniated discs in her back. Surgery was done and that gave her the ability to walk again but she continued with strong pain and numbness in her back and leg. Today she lives on a bag full of various medications. Some of the pain killers are narcotics along with NSAIDS (Ibuprophen, Aleve, Aspirin, Celebrex, etc.) plus she takes medications to counter the effects of other drugs. She's had to change medications due to the development of bleeding ulcers from her medications. She takes anti-depressants to counter the deprssion that results from such a number of drugs. I don't know what else is prescribed and for what purposes.
Five years ago, our sister-in-law died of cancer. She lived in California where medicinal marijuana was legal for use and she was using a prescription for pain. After her death, her husband who is my wife's brother, gave my wife what was left of her medicinal marijuana. She did try using the small amount her brother gave her and discovered that while using the medicinal marijuana she was able to almost eliminate the need for the narcotic drugs and NSAID pain relievers. It worked that well.
Unfortunately, while medicinal marijuana is legally prescribed in Minnesota, Minnesota's workers compensation does not accept or allow the use of medicinal marijuana as part of a medical treatment plan so she is unable to get a prescription. Now, NSAIDS are not addictive but they do present some very serious side effects like stomach ulcers and heart conditions. While I am not a pharmaceutical doctor or researcher, I struggle to see where using medicinal marijuana is more risky than narcotic pain killers or excessive or prolonged use of NSAIDS.
Point being is that there can be some beneficial uses for marijuana as there are for other narcotics and opioids when taken in moderation and controlled. We have to be careful about self-prescribing.
I am a fan of the television series M*A*S*H and there actually was one episode that addressed this issue. It was titled "Dr. Winchester and Mr. Hyde." In that epsode, the arrogant, self prescribed expert, Major Charles Emerson Winchester III, was having trouble staying awake and decided to self-prescribe an amphetamine medication to help him stay alert. In the process he became somewhat addicted to the drug. A point of the episode is that none of us is immune.
I, too, have ruptured a disc in my back (L5-S1) and have had the two discs above it bulging and ready to blow. The pain has been...considerable. And completely debilitating. I, too, took NSAIDs 'til I couldn't any more. I was on track for surgery but encountered a fellow named Dr. Stuart McGill, who is a world-renowned lower-back rehab specialist, working with professional athletes like Tiger Woods, Olympians and pro football and basketball players. Following his regimen of rehab - a very slow, careful, progressive process - my pain has largely subsided and I'm near normal function again. I have to be prudent, of course, in how I move and what I do, and I'll never be able to bear much weight that compresses my spine, but I'm not laying in bed for weeks on end any more, peeing in a bottle, wondering what the rest of my life will be like. Check out his very excellent book: The Back Mechanic. It helped me enormously! I'm not sure what McGill's rehab stuff could do for your wife now that she's had surgery, but maybe it could help her, too. It certainly wouldn't leave her worse off.
I was careful in my response to the OP not to be sweeping or over-general in my statements. The main thing is for a believer not to be brought out from under God's control and under the power of something else. Does cannabis do this necessarily? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. But I think it is risky spiritually to use it, for the reasons I outlined. Stuff that plays with the mind, that hinders the Spirit's control of us, ought to be abandoned. Is that cannabis, always? Again, I don't know. I've never used cannabis and can't see that I ever would. I've had siblings and nieces and nephews addicted to hard drugs, you see, who began, every one of them, with pot. To any cannabis user, then, I say, "Be not stoned with marijuana, wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit."
I was careful in my response to the OP not to be sweeping or over-general in my statements. The main thing is for a believer not to be brought out from under God's control and under the power of something else. Does cannabis do this necessarily? I don't know. Maybe. Maybe not. But I think it is risky spiritually to use it, for the reasons I outlined. Stuff that plays with the mind, that hinders the Spirit's control of us, ought to be abandoned. Is that cannabis, always? Again, I don't know. I've never used cannabis and can't see that I ever would. I've had siblings and nieces and nephews addicted to hard drugs, you see, who began, every one of them, with pot. To any cannabis user, then, I say, "Be not stoned with marijuana, wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit."
jasonc
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If you need a medical mj card ,cbd will not be enough.its the thc you need .
Christ_empowered
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I dunno
What is adderall without a prescription? Speed.
Why can’t people just have the right to grow their own and do as they please? Most people would probably just self regulate.
What is adderall without a prescription? Speed.
Why can’t people just have the right to grow their own and do as they please? Most people would probably just self regulate.
jasonc
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No they would abuse.I dunno
What is adderall without a prescription? Speed.
Why can’t people just have the right to grow their own and do as they please? Most people would probably just self regulate.
Hey I feel ,angry ,mad ,rather then pray ,hit the dope.of you think vets don't do that you are mistaken .using pot to suppress the effects of PTSD per my christian counseling isn't wise.
Self regulating hasn't gone well in any time in history. I bet it would be frightening to know how many people are driving on our highways while under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Myself, having experienced the high of pot and intoxication from beer and other liquors, can tell you that driving is impaired even though we won't admit it at the time.I dunno
What is adderall without a prescription? Speed.
Why can’t people just have the right to grow their own and do as they please? Most people would probably just self regulate.
I was speaking about unregulated use like in states where recreational use of marijuana is permitted.