I would hardly use the word 'complacency' simply because some posters to this thread prefer not to be making a blood-sport out of this topic.
Its become a hot topic because some of us are shocked every time we read a Christian who comes across as having no qualms with the movement. I don't understand how anyone who reads their Bible and takes to heart what it says can be so numbed to this flagrant attack on morality. You preach that it shouldn't be addressed because it isn't treated like other sins. That may well be due to the fact that other sins have had their hayday in the sun and homosexuality is just another in the progressional downward spiral of morality. Premarital sex was the big issue at one time, unmarried people living together and adultery were hot topics like this but as time has progressed its been shifted because the next big thing has come along. Homosexuality is the big one now, I'm sure support for beastiality and pedophilia aren't far behind. Its the continual progression in the downfall of moral values. Its inevitable. Some of us numb a little quicker than others apparently. That of course doesn't make stealing, adultery, drug addiction, abortion or whatever any more appropriate. I however feel each person needs to understand what sin is because as we all know, being unrepentant keeps us from having a relationship with God.
And, if you were so strongly in opposition to blatant immorality you would have been more vocal than you were on my 'Are We Hypocrites?' thread. This thread dealt with our 'ho-hum' attitude toward the blatant immorality that we allow into our homes on a daily basis via the popular media. Most of us are not affected by homosexuality but we certainly ARE affected by the immoral and ungodly trash that permeates our daily lives via the god that sits in the corner of the room!
While I don't have the free time that you may for t.v., most of my t.v. viewing time involves sports. While I'm sure you'll have something negative to say about that think for a moment that a common interest brings me more opportunities to talk with certain people that you may not otherwise have any connection to. I'm sure you have interests that help you reach people that I likely wouldn't too.
You're way off the mark, Scott. I personally do not support any rallies that promote blatant promiscuity of any kind ...be it homosexual or not. The Gay Mardi Gras is NOT what is being discussed here - certainly not by me, anyway - but one's sexual orientation.
Am I way off the mark?! Take a look at the thread title, it says nothing about orientation, instead it refers to the homosexual agenda which their purpose is an outright attack on morality. No more no less. Its origin is not with men or women but with Satan. Furthermore the orientation concept is just a subtle mock against the Creator. Your lack of proof with it only sheds doubt on your understanding and either proves you gullible or deceptive. I don't know your heart so I won't make that call.
See, this is the problem we run into when discussing issues where one has an absolute ignorance on the topic but attempts to come across as the expert.
That must be in reference to the orientation myth you wholeheartedly have been deceived into believing without proof.
You have no idea as to what the REAL issue is since you don't have the interest or the inclination to research it.
Since there is no factual evidence supporting it, there is no reason to convince myself with some else's magic act.
You Scott (and others), really do seem to believe that as long as one can regurgitate the same old scriptures at someone then this somehow makes one some authority on the subject.
I haven't quoted any to you. I've already recognized that you consider those verses as hate speech no matter whom they're spoken by. Why is it that you need to generalize me with everyone else here? Thats part of your problem, you address opposition as though its all the same. Its all people who beat others down with baseball bats while screaming verses at them. With those images in your head you've already become a slave to your dogma. Your understanding on this issue has ceased because your dogma has reached its full capacity.
They find others with whom they can gain acceptance.
There is no safety in numbers before God. Unrepentance of sin is the same whether its one person or 1000.
And this is not to say that any particular individual - when removed from the group mentality thing - would not say, "I'm struggling with homosexuality."
People struggling with homosexuality don't fight for marriage rights, adoption of kids, and tax breaks. They don't push for homosexual sex education in schools and make historical reports that claim certain historical figures were homosexuals without factual proof. Here again your thinking about the wrong crowd.
Don't you notice that, Scott?
Did you notice I'm not part of any of the factions? My posts are my own individual convictions, I don't need a pat on the back to say whats true. Did you notice I haven't taken part in degrading you or anyone else with underhanded comments?
And, I don't believe for one second that this attitude toward the homosexual person is 'righteous anger' at all.
I didn't say I was angry, I just said I oppose it. I already know the direction is still going to get worse. One day all that opposes God's Word will be thrown down. This is all just a test.
By the way, how many ACTUAL living, breathing homosexuals do you know personally, Scott?
I do know five homosexuals/bisexual. Two of which were from high school, one I knew from college, one is presently one of my co-workers and the other is my great-uncle who was married 35 years & father of 2 sons but now divorced from my great-aunt and presently living a homosexual lifestyle. He also attends a church that regards his lifestyle as not being sin despite what the Bible has to say about it.
Or do you get your impressions of homosexuality from the media or otherwise get caught up in the euphoria of blood-letting threads such as this?
Or do you think everyone is the same and we all recite Bible verses as we bloody people with baseball bats? Try not to jump to conclusions before you actually attempt to understand the person you are talking to.
What would be your Christian advice to such a person if they came to you for 'help'?
In that case I'm sure there would be some verses missing from my Bible and I'd tell them they didn't need help.
This person might be your own son, by the way, since homosexual people DO have parents. How would you deal with the issue in a constructive manner?
Well for starters, I wouldn't be assuming that people who oppose the homosexual agenda are Nazis. Sin is not what you are tempted with, its what you act on. Enter self-control. The way you view women can contribute to lusting (it can be controlled), uncontrolled anger/rage can lead to murder (it can be controlled), poor self esteem and self image can lead to suicide (they can be controlled), coveting others possessions can lead to theft (it can be controlled), gluttony can lead to obesity (it can be controlled), not being motivated can lead to laziness (it can be controlled), sexual thoughts outside of God's definition of marriage can range from adultery, promiscuity, sexual abuse, homosexuality or any other form of sexual immorality (they can be controlled). You become what you are mastered by. Our frame of reference for how we view the things we are mastered by is the Bible. If the Bible says its wrong, there is no circumventing the truth to fit our lifestyle. We should live as God told us we ought. If we circumvent the truth to fit our own desires, we are unrepentant.
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