Holding Them Accountable

[Uncle J]

So you, being without sin, will toss the first stone.

Happy to meet such a righteous atheist, its a rare encounter indeed.

That's the best you've got? I'm not perfect, therefore not only are all of Trump's sins just fine, but it's okay for Christians to ignore them? Just because I'm not perfect? Wow.

Yes, Trump has done things similar to everyone else, he is human. Like many, he exploited the situation.

Um....I don't know anyone who's done any of those things. Who the heck do you hang out with such that you see all the things Trump does as just things everyone does?

But Christians are forgiving

You're not paying attention. He literally said he's never done anything that even requires forgiveness. Why do you think he said that?

 

[Alfred Persson]

People like that are hard to take seriously, because they're so ridiculously over the top in their adoration of Trump, you always wonder if they're not really just trolling you.

Likely you don't recall the Military Industrial Complex manipulating ISIS so it would be a decades long "theft opportunity"; How impossible it would be to stamp them out...

Trump got rid of those generals, and got rid of ISIS in a few months, without making the Establishment Rich, like they are now doing in Ukraine.

If the left today paid any mind to reality, they would be marching in the streets against the "endless war" in Ukraine, that kills people but makes the globalists rich.

 

[Milk-Drops]

You make those distinctions of labor for profit, or merchandising for profit, from a modern theory of capitalism.

No, I'm referencing Adam Smith the Author of the wealth of nations and influential proponent of Capitalism.

I do not and I think it rhetorical. Designed to condemn what actually has been practiced throughout human history, in a Maxist inspired diatribe against "dialectical materialism".

Ok, so whats your argument?

The Mayflower pact bankers were to be paid back by every Pilgrim, which resulted in everyone laboring to pay the bill, and all the profits of their labor going into the "general fund". It wasn't until they were allowed to keep a portion of their production, and sell it, that "plenty" was achieved. The same happened in Russia when they were permitted to keep a portion to sell for themselves.

Yeah what you described works in any ecconomic model capitalism and socialism disagrees on who owns the surpluss.

The pilgrims were thankful to the Indians, without them they wouldn't know how to hunt and fish well. They were thankful, rejoicing in their prosperity, and so they thanked the indians

Yeah, and the natives were quite tired of the Pilgrims fuel to their begging and incompetence. As I already stated, the colony failed and the survivers were absorbed into other colonies. There was never any prospering.

Our schools teach a leftist version of Thanksgiving leaving out the lessons of capitalism, because leftists control education. Hopefully, technology will put them all out of work so they can get real jobs and stop corrupting our youth with leftist socialism.

So far what you explained sounded more like taxation instead of collective ownership. Unless you are an ancap that makes every system leftist.

 

[Milk-Drops]

As an agnostic you shouldn't care about the experience of Christians. But we can see a repeat of it in the apostolic church. At first everyone deposted whatever the could at the feet of the apostles, and it was distributed to everyone:

44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common,
45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
(Acts 2:44-45 NKJ)

But human nature doesn't allow such a system be practice over the long haul:

NKJ Acts 6:1 Now in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplying, there arose a complaint against the Hebrews by the Hellenists, because their widows were neglected in the daily distribution. (Acts 6:1 NKJ)

3 Honor widows who are really widows.
4 But if any widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show piety at home and to repay their parents; for this is good and acceptable before God.
5 Now she who is really a widow, and left alone, trusts in God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day.
6 But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives.
7 And these things command, that they may be blameless.
8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
9 Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man,
10 well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints' feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work.
11 But refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry,
12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first faith.
13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. (1 Tim. 5:3-13 NKJ)

The "socialism" of the early church vanished, as it should have, when it was seen Christ wasn't going to appear in a few months.

Socialism fails everywhere and every time its tried, even in the apostolic church.

China, Vietnam, and Cuba are still trucking along. China being the second largest economy.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Likely you don't recall the Military Industrial Complex manipulating ISIS so it would be a decades long "theft opportunity"; How impossible it would be to stamp them out...

Trump got rid of those generals, and got rid of ISIS in a few months, without making the Establishment Rich, like they are now doing in Ukraine.

If the left today paid any mind to reality, they would be marching in the streets against the "endless war" in Ukraine, that kills people but makes the globalists rich.

ISIS still exists in Iraq and Dyria. XD We just don't hear about it because the media doesn't care anymore.

 

[Alfred Persson]

China, Vietnam, and Cuba are still trucking along. China being the second largest economy.

Cuba is a basket case. China and Vietnam capitalist. China lately is undoing its adoption of capitalism, and that has led to a stalling economy. The more it moves away from individuals running profitable businesses, the poorer it gets.

 

[Alfred Persson]

ISIS still exists in Iraq and Dyria. XD We just don't hear about it because the media doesn't care anymore.

Yea, left stole the election. Biden let them reconstitute, and even armed the Taliban in Afghanistan for future endless war/profit opportunity for the Elite Establishment. They know the left only cares about perverted sex and drugs, so it adopts that platform knowing they can sell America out everywhere for big $$$, and power.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Cuba is a basket case

How so? You mean the embargoes that prevented trade with them for decades or that their largest trade partner collapsed?

. China and Vietnam capitalist

Nope, they are centralized economies.

. China lately is undoing its adoption of capitalism, and that has led to a stalling economy. The more it moves away from individuals running profitable businesses, the poorer it gets.

Odd considering its tge second largest ecconomy and Trump/Gop keep chain rattling trying to start a war with them. It's almost like their ecconomy works.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Yea, left stole the election

Nope. No matter how many tantrums Trump throws it doesn't change that he lost.

. Biden let them reconstitute, and even armed the Taliban in Afghanistan for future endless war/profit opportunity for the Elite Establishment.

You mean Trump did right? The pull out was already in place from Trump before Biden even took office. Biden just went through with it.

They know the left only cares about perverted sex and drugs, so it adopts that platform knowing they can sell America out everywhere for big $$$, and power.

Let me guess. You believe in Pizzagate? As I already stated you seem to not understand any of what you talk about. It's almost all just repeated talking points.

 

[Alfred Persson]

How so? You mean the embargoes that prevented trade with them for decades or that their largest trade partner collapsed?



Nope, they are centralized economies.



Odd considering its tge second largest ecconomy and Trump/Gop keep chain rattling trying to start a war with them. It's almost like their economy works.

After China, Vietnam supplies us with goods. That's not socialism, its capitalism.

Vietnam is a good example of the Establishment manipulating truth for endless wars. Vietnam wasn't the "first domino", communism didn't end up in Beverly Hills. Instead, the Vietnamese like Americans welcoming them to live in Vietnam in retirement, which many choose to do because health care is good and cost of living cheap.

The same bastard war-mongering Democrats now have us fighting Russia. That is a dangerous game. But does the Left care? Not if men can wear dresses, and follow little girls into the public restroom. Or assault female prisoners in jail. Woopee! Men can beat females in any sport; how progressive to self affirm one is the opposite sex and steal their trophies!

 

[jasonc]

After China, Vietnam supplies us with goods. That's not socialism, its capitalism.

Vietnam is a good example of the Establishment manipulating truth for endless wars. Vietnam wasn't the "first domino", communism didn't end up in Beverly Hills. Instead, the Vietnamese like Americans welcoming them to live in Vietnam in retirement, which many choose to do because health care is good and cost of living cheap.

The same bastard war-mongering Democrats now have us fighting Russia. That is a dangerous game. But does the Left care? Not if men can wear dresses, and follow little girls into the public restroom. Or assault female prisoners in jail. Woopee! Men can beat females in any sport; how progressive to self affirm one is the opposite sex and steal their trophies!

Bush,a Republican started both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Afghanistan 2001 to 2021.i was in that threatre from 04 to 05. I can't think of any democrat alive and in congress to have voted for Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Both parties are guilty . Nam was a war we didn't need to get involved in.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Bush,a Republican started both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Afghanistan 2001 to 2021.i was in that threatre from 04 to 05. I can't think of any democrat alive and in congress to have voted for Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Both parties are guilty . Nam was a war we didn't need to get involved in.

No argument from me, the Establishment (warmongering sell outs of America) is DemoRepublican.

Mitch McConnell longest serving member.

They don't believe they are doing irreparable harm, just making a good ole dishonest buck selling influence and favors.

But if you love America as the "land of the free", they are despicable.

 

[jasonc]

No argument from me, the Establishment (warmongering sell outs of America) is DemoRepublican.

Mitch McConnell longest serving member.

They don't believe they are doing irreparable harm, just making a good ole dishonest buck selling influence and favors.

But if you love America as the "land of the free", they are despicable.

I don't agree with the way we went into Afghanistan,but I get why .Iraq I don't quite see the connection.

With the Ukraine .I just don't see if we dont defend it per treaty and yup we did sign that treaty .why would sny nation trust us or also isreal ?

The war with north Korea is merely a truce . My issue with the Ukraine is mostly about how it's gonna be short and easy . It will involve some nation building and possibly our direct involvement

 

[Milk-Drops]

After China, Vietnam supplies us with goods. That's not socialism, its capitalism.

No, that is not what Capitalism is at all. Capitalism is about using resources as capital both as leverage and ownership by private parties. Trade in itself is neither capitalism or socialism, it predates both. All capitalism and socialism are are means to determine who benefits from and who owns the results of labor.

Vietnam is a good example of the Establishment manipulating truth for endless wars. Vietnam wasn't the "first domino", communism didn't end up in Beverly Hills. Instead, the Vietnamese like Americans welcoming them to live in Vietnam in retirement, which many choose to do because health care is good and cost of living cheap.

Yeah, because Vietnam has a system set up to make sure the people have their basic needs met and people are free to work to obtain good past that point. Its still relatively poor by gdp standards, but the basics are met.

The same bastard war-mongering Democrats now have us fighting Russia.

You mean Russia invaded one of our allies we have a treaty with and wants to steal Ukrain's land becaus Ukrain decided to trade with more western nations? The US didn't start this war, Putin did with his invasions. We don't have boots on the ground in Ukrain, just aid.

That is a dangerous game. But does the Left care? Not if men can wear dresses, and follow little girls into the public restroom. Or assault female prisoners in jail. Woopee! Men can beat females in any sport; how progressive to self affirm one is the opposite sex and steal their trophies!

Wow you seem to be obsessed with nonexistant Trans crimes. You are literally swallowing Russian propaganda.

 

[jasonc]

Let me clarify. Given the there were rumors of us in laos and Cambodia during nam and now we have polish killing Russians and Ukraine troops hitting the Russians inside their land both using our gear .I wonder if we are fighting directly or will be.

I just see this lasting longer then what was said.thr Russia army isn't best but neither is the Ukraine one and like a bunch of midgets none knocking each other .two stubborn to quit ,to impotent to finish it.

Like Korea ,a draw . We were flying Soviet troops in the air and the Chinese on the ground .

The Government Keeps Lying to Us About Ukraine. Where Is the Outrage?

If Polish soldiers launching what was called a "ground war" in Russia isn't enough to rattle the masses, one shudders to contemplate what is needed.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Milk-Drops]

Let me clarify. Given the there were rumors of us in laos and Cambodia during nam and now we have polish killing Russians and Ukraine troops hitting the Russians inside their land both using our gear .I wonder if we are fighting directly or will be.

I just see this lasting longer then what was said.thr Russia army isn't best but neither is the Ukraine one and like a bunch of midgets none knocking each other .two stubborn to quit ,to impotent to finish it.

Like Korea ,a draw . We were flying Soviet troops in the air and the Chinese on the ground .

The Government Keeps Lying to Us About Ukraine. Where Is the Outrage?

If Polish soldiers launching what was called a "ground war" in Russia isn't enough to rattle the masses, one shudders to contemplate what is needed.

www.newsweek.com

I would nor doubt if we had some CIA and mercenaries over there. I just doubt we have direct military there.

 

[jasonc]

I would nor doubt if we had some CIA and mercenaries over there. I just doubt we have direct military there.

Not quite,Marines and the seals will have have fel under direct cia control .dod pays them but sec def has no power over them .

If Russia has sent the kgb or their equivalent to our cia and they are caught in our borders .it's gonna get a direct response . That's my point

 

[Uncle J]

Nope. No matter how many tantrums Trump throws it doesn't change that he lost.



You mean Trump did right? The pull out was already in place from Trump before Biden even took office. Biden just went through with it.



Let me guess. You believe in Pizzagate? As I already stated you seem to not understand any of what you talk about. It's almost all just repeated talking points.

But did you notice how AP's reply had absolutely nothing to do with your post (the one he was supposed to be responding to)?

Usually when a forum member posts replies that have nothing to do with the post they're responding to, and are instead just random right-wing talking points, it's a dead giveaway that they're either a bot or a foreign troll.

 

[Alfred Persson]

But did you notice how AP's reply had absolutely nothing to do with your post (the one he was supposed to be responding to)?

Usually when a forum member posts replies that have nothing to do with the post they're responding to, and are instead just random right-wing talking points, it's a dead giveaway that they're either a bot or a foreign troll.

Claiming to be "uncle" could be seen as a deceptive appeal to family.

Progressives are silent about the war, because with it comes freedom to be perverse and tell Christians to shut up. Its never been a finer day for the left, they are exceedingly happy with Biden sock puppet, and the leftist lunatics animating it.

 

[Alfred Persson]

But did you notice how AP's reply had absolutely nothing to do with your post (the one he was supposed to be responding to)?

Usually when a forum member posts replies that have nothing to do with the post they're responding to, and are instead just random right-wing talking points, it's a dead giveaway that they're either a bot or a foreign troll.

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