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Theofilus
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In the movie Barabbas, there is a scene where the apostles are praying the Lord's Prayer in Latin.
ageetonyagee
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Certainly different bibles trying to help God out is a rookie mistake
says Matthew 5:17.
Nobody has better bible wisdom then God himself says Rev. 22:18-19.
God not impressed with the wisdom of man with his bible---Psalms 8:4.
Views man have on life without his bible is junk too----Isaiah 64:6.
The worst of God to make you better is always better then the best of man to
make you better----1 Cor. 1:25.
Fair to say the King James is the most law complying bible to work in harmony
with the mind of God with these Holy Spirit teaching verses today.
The Holy Spirit the book not some voice in your head----John 6:63.
Faith not some voice in your head it's the book too---Romans 10:17.
Faith to live out all the book is the heart of the matter not faith with every
situation to take on -------Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4 and John 8:31.
Unbelievers have no faith, little faith, great faith and full faith depending on the situation all the time too.
Big deal !!
Only believers have a John 8:31 testimony to get God's attention in heaven.
This makes coming together church only---Romans 3:1-4 and Amos 3:3.
Only unbelievers are doubtful that if they live out 2 Timothy 2:15 or study
then God will enable them to live out James 1:5 and John 14:26 as well as live out 1 John 2:27.
No room in the bible for philosophy if we a John 8:31 disciple says Peter in
2 Peter 1:20-21.
An Amen to God's opinion in all the bible only-----Romans 3:1-4.
No room for excuses on lack of bible talent if we a John 8:31 disciple says
John----1 John 2:27 & John 14:26
Only room for God's bible opinion all the time----Titus 3:10 & 2 Cor. 4:3
No magic tricks and bible 101 in the streets if we a John 8:31 disciple to master the game of life in God-----Acts 17:28.
No waiting on a big shot and getting hand laying miracles enough to master the game of life in God-----Acts 17:28.
No island to ourself in God and yet holy segregation is the still the Christian life for mastering success in God-----1 Thess. 5:12 & 2 Cor. 6 & John 17.
Better to be an island in God with ourself for now then to be in an unequal yoke with a ministry----Matthew 15:14 & Galations 1:8-9 & 2 Cor. 6 & John 17.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Amos 3:3 & John 17.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Matthew 5:6.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----1 Thess. 5:12.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Amos 3:3
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal-----2 Cor. 6
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Psalms 133:1
A sweetheart not the goal as much as unity is the goal---Matthew 5:18-20.
A sweetheart not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Romans 10:2-3
A sweetheart not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Isaiah 64:6
Grace not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Amos 3:3 & Romans 6:1
Grace not the goal as much as unity is the goal---John 17 & Romans 6:15
Grace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---John 8:32 & John 8:31
Grace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Romans 3:1-4 & John 5:39
Peace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Luke 6:26 & 2 Cor. 6
Peace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Matthew 10:22 & John 17:17
Perfection is more of the goal then saying we're not good enough in
God on our own-------Matthew 4:4 & Luke 4:4
Perfection is more of the goal then saying we're not holy enough in
God on our own-----John 5:39 & John 8:31.
Perfection is more of the goal then saying we're not worthy enough
in God on our own-----1 John 1:9 & John 14:26
Good news not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Rev. 12:9-10
Good news not the goal as much as truth is the goal----John 8:44
Easy way made not the goal as much as perfection is the
goal------John 5:39 and John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4
Easy way made not the goal as much as perfection is the
goal----1 John 1:9 and Romans 6:1 and Romans 6:15.
Winning everybody not the goal just winning God's people is the goal
today----John 17 and Amos 3:3 and Titus 3:10 and Galations 1:8-9
and Matthew 15:14 and 2 Cor. 4:3.
Being positive not the goal as much as truth is the goal
today-----Luke 6:26 and Matthew 10:22 and John 8:31 and 2 Cor. 6.
Naming and claiming everything we want is not the goal as much as truth is the goal today----1 Timothy 6 & Luke 3:14 & Luke 12:15 & Luke 6:26 and
Matthew 10:22.
Faith not the goal as much as all the bible being faith is the
goal today----Romans 10:17 and Matthew 4:4 and John 8:31.
Faith to live out all the bible is the goal when modern theology says faith with every situation is the goal-----Romans 3:1-4 and John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4.
The lier says the wrong faith is where life in Christ really is----John 8:44 and
John 8:32 and Romans 6:1 and Romans 6:15.
The lier says the right faith makes you an extremist and judgmental Pharisee
making people live something they can't live----John 8:44 and John 8:31 and
Rev. 12:9-10 and John 5:39 and 1 John 1:9 and Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4.
That's why the lier outlaws approval of 2 Timothy 3:16---Romans 3:1-4.
That's why the lier would then outlaw the approval of 1 Peter 3:3 & John 3:5.
Then outlaw the approval of Hebrews 4 and James 5:20.
Would then outlaw the approval of John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27.
While the lier short cuts salvation he also has too many rules today says
Paul in Colossian 2:8 and says John in John 1:17.
Grace didn't take away the bible rules but actually got stricker---Matthew 5.
Grace only gave the old law on animal offerings a contract time---John 1:17.
Grace only gave the old law on circumcision a contract time----John 1:17.
Grace only gave the old law on a natural high priest a contract time---John 1:17.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Romans 6:1 & Romans 6:15.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---1 John 1:9 and Matthew 4:4.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Luke 4:4 and John 5:39.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Ephesians 2:8 &
Ephesians 2:9-10.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance----John 8:31 and James 5:20.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Titus 3:10 and 2 Cor. 4:3.
today-----
says Matthew 5:17.
Nobody has better bible wisdom then God himself says Rev. 22:18-19.
God not impressed with the wisdom of man with his bible---Psalms 8:4.
Views man have on life without his bible is junk too----Isaiah 64:6.
The worst of God to make you better is always better then the best of man to
make you better----1 Cor. 1:25.
Fair to say the King James is the most law complying bible to work in harmony
with the mind of God with these Holy Spirit teaching verses today.
The Holy Spirit the book not some voice in your head----John 6:63.
Faith not some voice in your head it's the book too---Romans 10:17.
Faith to live out all the book is the heart of the matter not faith with every
situation to take on -------Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4 and John 8:31.
Unbelievers have no faith, little faith, great faith and full faith depending on the situation all the time too.
Big deal !!
Only believers have a John 8:31 testimony to get God's attention in heaven.
This makes coming together church only---Romans 3:1-4 and Amos 3:3.
Only unbelievers are doubtful that if they live out 2 Timothy 2:15 or study
then God will enable them to live out James 1:5 and John 14:26 as well as live out 1 John 2:27.
No room in the bible for philosophy if we a John 8:31 disciple says Peter in
2 Peter 1:20-21.
An Amen to God's opinion in all the bible only-----Romans 3:1-4.
No room for excuses on lack of bible talent if we a John 8:31 disciple says
John----1 John 2:27 & John 14:26
Only room for God's bible opinion all the time----Titus 3:10 & 2 Cor. 4:3
No magic tricks and bible 101 in the streets if we a John 8:31 disciple to master the game of life in God-----Acts 17:28.
No waiting on a big shot and getting hand laying miracles enough to master the game of life in God-----Acts 17:28.
No island to ourself in God and yet holy segregation is the still the Christian life for mastering success in God-----1 Thess. 5:12 & 2 Cor. 6 & John 17.
Better to be an island in God with ourself for now then to be in an unequal yoke with a ministry----Matthew 15:14 & Galations 1:8-9 & 2 Cor. 6 & John 17.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Amos 3:3 & John 17.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Matthew 5:6.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----1 Thess. 5:12.
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Amos 3:3
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal-----2 Cor. 6
Meetings not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Psalms 133:1
A sweetheart not the goal as much as unity is the goal---Matthew 5:18-20.
A sweetheart not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Romans 10:2-3
A sweetheart not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Isaiah 64:6
Grace not the goal as much as unity is the goal----Amos 3:3 & Romans 6:1
Grace not the goal as much as unity is the goal---John 17 & Romans 6:15
Grace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---John 8:32 & John 8:31
Grace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Romans 3:1-4 & John 5:39
Peace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Luke 6:26 & 2 Cor. 6
Peace not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Matthew 10:22 & John 17:17
Perfection is more of the goal then saying we're not good enough in
God on our own-------Matthew 4:4 & Luke 4:4
Perfection is more of the goal then saying we're not holy enough in
God on our own-----John 5:39 & John 8:31.
Perfection is more of the goal then saying we're not worthy enough
in God on our own-----1 John 1:9 & John 14:26
Good news not the goal as much as truth is the goal---Rev. 12:9-10
Good news not the goal as much as truth is the goal----John 8:44
Easy way made not the goal as much as perfection is the
goal------John 5:39 and John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4
Easy way made not the goal as much as perfection is the
goal----1 John 1:9 and Romans 6:1 and Romans 6:15.
Winning everybody not the goal just winning God's people is the goal
today----John 17 and Amos 3:3 and Titus 3:10 and Galations 1:8-9
and Matthew 15:14 and 2 Cor. 4:3.
Being positive not the goal as much as truth is the goal
today-----Luke 6:26 and Matthew 10:22 and John 8:31 and 2 Cor. 6.
Naming and claiming everything we want is not the goal as much as truth is the goal today----1 Timothy 6 & Luke 3:14 & Luke 12:15 & Luke 6:26 and
Matthew 10:22.
Faith not the goal as much as all the bible being faith is the
goal today----Romans 10:17 and Matthew 4:4 and John 8:31.
Faith to live out all the bible is the goal when modern theology says faith with every situation is the goal-----Romans 3:1-4 and John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4.
The lier says the wrong faith is where life in Christ really is----John 8:44 and
John 8:32 and Romans 6:1 and Romans 6:15.
The lier says the right faith makes you an extremist and judgmental Pharisee
making people live something they can't live----John 8:44 and John 8:31 and
Rev. 12:9-10 and John 5:39 and 1 John 1:9 and Matthew 4:4 and Luke 4:4.
That's why the lier outlaws approval of 2 Timothy 3:16---Romans 3:1-4.
That's why the lier would then outlaw the approval of 1 Peter 3:3 & John 3:5.
Then outlaw the approval of Hebrews 4 and James 5:20.
Would then outlaw the approval of John 14:26 and 1 John 2:27.
While the lier short cuts salvation he also has too many rules today says
Paul in Colossian 2:8 and says John in John 1:17.
Grace didn't take away the bible rules but actually got stricker---Matthew 5.
Grace only gave the old law on animal offerings a contract time---John 1:17.
Grace only gave the old law on circumcision a contract time----John 1:17.
Grace only gave the old law on a natural high priest a contract time---John 1:17.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Romans 6:1 & Romans 6:15.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---1 John 1:9 and Matthew 4:4.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Luke 4:4 and John 5:39.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Ephesians 2:8 &
Ephesians 2:9-10.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance----John 8:31 and James 5:20.
Grace still got a bible rules buddy on repentance---Titus 3:10 and 2 Cor. 4:3.
today-----
Uh.... Is there a point in all this somewhere regarding KJV only?????????????
Forgiven83
Member
I'm more of a KJV Preferrism, as I will also use the Amplified Bible and the Complete Jewish Bible. But I have much respect for KJVO, because they believe that God has preserve His Word for us. I have a problem every time I hear people saying God's Word is realiable then question passages like Mark 16:9-20, John 7:53-8:11, I John 5:7.
kiwimac
Member
That would be because you are unaware, presumably, of the historicity of those passages or the lack thereof. The KJV translators worked from relatively recent texts. Modern scholars / archaeologists have found older transcripts which do not have the passages in question and so they have either removed them entirely or moved them to the footnotes.
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Asyncritus
Guest
Look guys, if the KJV was good enough for Paul, it's good enough for me!
But more seriously:
It has advantages which no-one has yet mentioned.
1 It uses thee's and thou's, ye's and you's (Bet you pronounced that 'yows'!!!)
That is a hugely valuable feature, because it clearly distinguishes between you (singular) and you (plural), and that is completely lost in every modern translation I can find.
2 It includes important words which are also lost in most moderns. Like the word 'Behold'. I know that that is not used much in modern English - but it's there in the Greek (idou). Luke in particular uses that word to draw attention to the fact that something important is happening.
Where's it gone?
But more seriously:
It has advantages which no-one has yet mentioned.
1 It uses thee's and thou's, ye's and you's (Bet you pronounced that 'yows'!!!)
That is a hugely valuable feature, because it clearly distinguishes between you (singular) and you (plural), and that is completely lost in every modern translation I can find.
2 It includes important words which are also lost in most moderns. Like the word 'Behold'. I know that that is not used much in modern English - but it's there in the Greek (idou). Luke in particular uses that word to draw attention to the fact that something important is happening.
Where's it gone?
Tailgunner
Member
I wasn't aware that Paul had access to the King James Version. From what I have read, it was still around 1,550 years in the future.
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Asyncritus
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Danny63
Member
I think the KJV 1611 is as good a translation as any if you want to get nit picky then yous better be studying the Hebrew and Greek bibles.
I personally like 3 versions the best, I like the KJV, but I use mostly the NASB and reference the Amplified because it gives a great deal of thought into what is being said.
Any time I open the Word of God I first pray, ask the Holy Spirit to Guide me, ask God to speak to me through His word,
IF God can speak through a donkey (אתון - 'âthôn (aw-thone') or female ass) then I am sure He can speak through most of these modern translations today. Seek His guidance through scripture...
I personally like 3 versions the best, I like the KJV, but I use mostly the NASB and reference the Amplified because it gives a great deal of thought into what is being said.
Any time I open the Word of God I first pray, ask the Holy Spirit to Guide me, ask God to speak to me through His word,
IF God can speak through a donkey (אתון - 'âthôn (aw-thone') or female ass) then I am sure He can speak through most of these modern translations today. Seek His guidance through scripture...
Scotth1960
Member
ada
Member
Hmm, so you think there are no corrupted bible versions around?
What about the NIV or the scofield bible?
As for the NIV. There are many omissions comparing the KJV and the NIV.
Further do you think the bible should be copyrighted by the same people
who distribute the satanic bible or are pornographers?
YouTube - NIV Bible & Satanic Bible Owned By Porn Pimp
And yes there are some substantial differences in some translations depending on
the scripture base.I invite you to study this.Its just an offer to ponder.
I am not saying KJV only but it is important to recognize that whole verses or passages has been left out in some versions.And this is not trivial it is essential.
What about new age versions?
What about the NIV or the scofield bible?
As for the NIV. There are many omissions comparing the KJV and the NIV.
Further do you think the bible should be copyrighted by the same people
who distribute the satanic bible or are pornographers?
YouTube - NIV Bible & Satanic Bible Owned By Porn Pimp
And yes there are some substantial differences in some translations depending on
the scripture base.I invite you to study this.Its just an offer to ponder.
I am not saying KJV only but it is important to recognize that whole verses or passages has been left out in some versions.And this is not trivial it is essential.
What about new age versions?
ada
Member
Ok i second the term new age version but lets stick with the NIV.
-So you saying in short there have been no omissions in the NIV translation?
-There are no corrupt versions at all?
Hmm how so? I would appreciate if you can clarify this for me please.
It is fallacious to argue, as KJVOists do, that the NIV omits portions of texts when it could very well be the KJV that adds them. Being that the KJV is a formal equivalence translation and the NIV is a dynamic equivalence translation, there are bound to be many differences. I would even argue that in some instances, the NIV is more accurate to what the author's intent was then the KJV.
Then there are all the issues that surround translating from one language to another, let alone one of antiquity that is no longer in use. There really cannot be a literal word-for-word translation because it would be difficult, if not impossible, to understand, at least some of the text. In that regard, every translation has words added to smooth out the translation and technically none are a word-for-word translation. One must also consider the number of tenses that exist in the Greek, for instance, and how difficult it can be to translate in the more ambiguous and imprecise English language.
Not to mention that from a KJVO perspective, no one outside of the English speaking world can ever really, truly have the Word of God. I'm sure you can see the problems there.
Every translation has it's issues but there are some that are better than others. There are likely more points that can be made here but that is at least a start of the problems with the KJVO arguments.
Good News Bob
Member
It is the only translation written for a king.
Isn't it also the most widely read translation (historically speaking)?
Isn't it also the most widely read translation (historically speaking)?
Are you saying this makes it a better translation? or... Well, what's your point?
ada
Member
@free
The question is what do you defend and why.
Its obvious that you do not seem to bother that the name of our Lord
or the context to Him has been omitted many times.
For me, for the record not for you, its blatant obvious that there is an agenda
behind it.You can prove that in realizing that dubious people like westcott,hort,scofield,tischendorf,mollenkott ,woudstra and others are involved in it.[COLOR=#000000 ! important][FONT=Arial ! important] Lord, Meister, Gebieter [lord][/FONT][/COLOR]
The question is what do you defend and why.
Its obvious that you do not seem to bother that the name of our Lord
or the context to Him has been omitted many times.
For me, for the record not for you, its blatant obvious that there is an agenda
behind it.You can prove that in realizing that dubious people like westcott,hort,scofield,tischendorf,mollenkott ,woudstra and others are involved in it.[COLOR=#000000 ! important][FONT=Arial ! important] Lord, Meister, Gebieter [lord][/FONT][/COLOR]
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