Lottery?

[Gary]

You must ask my permission to quote this post, or any post i make. It is copyright.

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[AirDancer]

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

and your address so i know where to send the lawyer bills?

address any concerns to either 'heaven' or
c/o
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ)
PO Box 64429
1000 Regent University Drive
Virginia Beach, VA 23467

they both do a wonderful job .... whoever's bothering you, roll it onto God's shoulders.... He has BIG shoulders.....

 

[reba]

lol great reply

All kidding aside we must be careful please note i did not say STOP just limit ..

 

[reba]

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[reba]

I object

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

lol great reply

All kidding aside we must be careful please note i did not say STOP just limit ..

Yes, no worries.

 

[Tony Hyman]

How about ? Romans 14: 22-23 "So whatever you believe about these things keep between yoyrself and God.Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23. But the man who has doupts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."

Robert Haldane "This does not only apply to meats but to everything"Exposition Of Romans1847"

So I believe if it feels wrong then it ,is when it comes to taking risks .On the other hand if the "little voice within" says it's okay or go for it the gambling is no different to any other venture which holds the possibility of going against the will of God if abused or overdone to the detriment of youself and others.
Prodigal Son Luke 11:15-21 he blew everything went totally over the top,but thankfully realised his mistake and bounced back and was willing to start from scratch verse verses 17-18,and there is a happy ending regardless of whether he gambled or got spaced out(alcoholor drugs) or whatever particular lawful
worldly thing caused his original downfall.The Casinos ,Lotteries arn't the problem it's the same as a liquor store or bar, its the user who overstretches his or her luck in most cases.

So there are cirtain things in life which certain people should not do, which dose not apply to all.Playing Lotto within ones means is therefore no different from a bank taking your money and lending it to some other person with the hope that they can pay it back. Thats how they basically operate "legal money rolling" hoping .Any risk is gambling as has been said already above.

 

[Obadiah]

How about ? Romans 14: 22-23 "So whatever you believe about these things keep between yoyrself and God.Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23. But the man who has doupts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."

Robert Haldane "This does not only apply to meats but to everything"Exposition Of Romans1847"

So I believe if it feels wrong then it ,is when it comes to taking risks .On the other hand if the "little voice within" says it's okay or go for it the gambling is no different to any other venture which holds the possibility of going against the will of God if abused or overdone to the detriment of youself and others.
Prodigal Son Luke 11:15-21 he blew everything went totally over the top,but thankfully realised his mistake and bounced back and was willing to start from scratch verse verses 17-18,and there is a happy ending regardless of whether he gambled or got spaced out(alcoholor drugs) or whatever particular lawful
worldly thing caused his original downfall.The Casinos ,Lotteries arn't the problem it's the same as a liquor store or bar, its the user who overstretches his or her luck in most cases.

So there are cirtain things in life which certain people should not do, which dose not apply to all.Playing Lotto within ones means is therefore no different from a bank taking your money and lending it to some other person with the hope that they can pay it back. Thats how they basically operate "legal money rolling" hoping .Any risk is gambling as has been said already above.

Agreed. I LIKE the voice of reason! All too often on subjects like this people get condemned for doing something (gambling in this case) that is never really condemned in scripture unless certain verses are taken out of context and twisted around a bit (or a lot) or exaggerated to support that condemnation. It's many times not the person doing the condemnation that does the twisting of scripture, they are usually just repeating what they have heard from like minded people. But it's always a good idea to really look at the scripture ourselves and ask if the thing we are condemning really is condemned as sin in scripture, or if we are just standing on traditions of men that we've always heard and never really questioned. In this case, are the scriptures used to say the lottery is wrong really saying that? Or are they saying that making it into an idol is wrong? A study of those scriptures in their proper context shows they are condemning making it into an idol, and that's when it becomes sinful.

Am I trying to justify my own gambling habit? (As I know some will think because some have come right out and said this in the past.) No, I have no gambling habit. I haven't spent a dime on the lottery, slot machines, card games, or any other form of gambling in years. Not because I think it's a sin. But just because it's not something I do very often. I might advise another Christian (IF they are seeking advice) that maybe gambling isn't the BEST use of their money, especially if they have little extra money to spend, but I can never tell them it is a sin or use scripture to condemn them for it. There's nothing wrong with a little entertainment and we are never told in scripture that we can't ever do anything just for fun. For most people gambling is just a form of occasional entertainment, not a harmful habit or a false god. When we condemn people over things that are not condemned in scripture, we are being a bad witness to the world because they see and hear about these things and it turns them against us. Jesus told us to go out and preach the gospel. "The Gospel" is the good news of salvation, not the bad news of false condemnation.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

God doesn't work by nor in nor thru human faulty or the enemies reason(s).
If something hurts even one person, one weak believer's conscience even, then it is to be dropped.
That is enough to know. All the other damages done by the obviously wicked industry 'gambling' are all too blatant to even think of going there, any more than going to a brothel.

 

[WIP]

I personally have never purchased a lottery ticket. I have gambled in the common sense of the term a time or two but it has been rare. I'll never forget the time a co-worker and I had to spend about a week in the Las Vegas for a project. He liked to gamble and we stayed at a casino. On the evening of our first day there after we finished our dinner I watched him put $20.00 into a slot machine and build it up to over $400.00. He asked me if I was going to gamble and I said no because I would just watch my wager diminish to zero. Well, he gave me a little poke all week long so on the last day I still had a little money left over from our meal allowance so I told him I would prove my point. I put $20.00 into a slot machine and watched it dwindle down to zero in about a half dozen pulls on the arm. When I was done I said, "I rest my case." He didn't bother me about gambling again.

For this reason I won't gamble in the normal sense. I don't gamble with cards, dice, machines, horse racing, Keno, lottery, or any of the traditional methods. I do gamble with farming, I participate in a friendly wager of $12.00 for the largest walleye every year when we go on our annual Canada fishing trip, and I do gamble with life's potentials but that's about it. Gambling is not a problem for me and I don't believe it is a problem with God except when it becomes an obsession for us or as already stated, when it comes with the wrong motives.

 

[AIR]

I used to play these slot machines once a while because in my country, there's a slot machine almost in EVERY grocery shop, market, gas stations, kiosks, cafes basically every where. When I was a kid, the slots had +15 age limit and since then I used to play them a lot, however the age limit was set to +18 couple 3 years ago but it didn't stop us playing though. All machines and whole gambling system is operated by one not-for-profit gambling company, which is set in a law. I stopped playing these machines after I became a Christian and after I did receive this casino host dealer job from this company.

 

[jasonc]

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a liberal jewish judge? interesting

 

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[Obadiah]

God doesn't work by nor in nor thru human faulty or the enemies reason(s)...

Not sure what you area saying by this. It was right after my post. Was this in reply to something I said?

...If something hurts even one person, one weak believer's conscience even, then it is to be dropped...

I absolutely agree with you on this. If a person's conscience is bothered by gambling, that person should drop it. Not the entire Christian population of the world, of course. But that person whose conscience is bothered by gambling certainly shouldn't gamble!

...All the other damages done by the obviously wicked industry 'gambling' are all too blatant to even think of going there, any more than going to a brothel.

As for this part of what you said, I certainly agree that brothels should be avoided by all Christians and can certainly show several verses of scripture that state and support prostitution being a sin. But in regards to what you have said about gambling here, comparing it to prostitution, please cite a scripture that says gambling is a sin, such as it says prostitution is a sin. Remember, we aren't talking about gambling being turned into idolatry being a sin of idolatry as was pointed out earlier. Please show us where scripture says gambling itself is a sin such as prostitution.

Oh, yeah, and please don't forget to give a clear chapter, verse, and version reference for the scripture you cite, as required by the ToS and as has been asked many times in the past.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Not sure what you area saying by this. It was right after my post. Was this in reply to something I said?
I absolutely agree with you on this. If a person's conscience is bothered by gambling, that person should drop it. Not the entire Christian population of the world, of course. But that person whose conscience is bothered by gambling certainly shouldn't gamble!
As for this part of what you said, I certainly agree that brothels should be avoided by all Christians and can certainly show several verses of scripture that state and support prostitution being a sin. But in regards to what you have said about gambling here, comparing it to prostitution, please cite a scripture that says gambling is a sin, such as it says prostitution is a sin. Remember, we aren't talking about gambling being turned into idolatry being a sin of idolatry as was pointed out earlier. Please show us where scripture says gambling itself is a sin such as prostitution.
Oh, yeah, and please don't forget to give a clear chapter, verse, and version reference for the scripture you cite, as required by the ToS and as has been asked many times in the past.

I don't know what you posted or said in a previous post.
The Spirit of Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever. He is against gambling(trusting/calling on lady luck,fate or destiny). This is true of all of His followers.
The Scriptures were posted already somewhere in previous posts.
A more thorough and simple and Scriptural exhortation may be found at >>>
http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/f/isgamblingasin.htm

 

[Gary]

He is against gambling(trusting/calling on lady luck,fate or destiny).

As was posted earlier, it all comes down to motive. No one is going to automatically be in danger of hell fire just because they bought a lottery ticket.

That's just my opinion. But if you have scripture that specifically refers to gambling being a sin, I'm all ears.
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[His_nee (Jeff)]

Scripture was posted earlier, and more is in the link just previous. (Standard Biblical Christianity btw).
(gambling by definition includes a motive/desire/et al )

 

[Gary]

Scripture was posted earlier, and more is in the link just previous. (Standard Biblical Christianity btw).
(gambling by definition includes a motive/desire/et al )

I agree, but what causes you to automatically assume those motives are sinful?
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[His_nee (Jeff)]

I didn't assume any such thing. It is all written in Scripture, plain and simple.