Scotth1960
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Dear Rockie, I do not pray to statues, nor does the Russian Orthodox Church pray to statues. You are sadly misinformed. In Erie PA Scott Harrington
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Scotth1960
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westtexas
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Scott, I haven't read all of your posts (maybe you've covered it elsewhere) but I'm curious as to your thoughts on John 15:26. Please don't give me a page out of your Orthodox commentaries. Tell me what it means to you.
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Scotth1960
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Dear westtexas, I believe John 15:26 means just what Christ intended us to
know. He kept nothing from us. He revealed the whole truth in just one verse.
John 15:26. He says the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father". Period. That is
all He said. That much is clear. He did not choose at that time to say "and the
Son". And there must be a reason why He did not say it. Could it not be the case
that is obvious, that since Christ is The Truth, He was keeping nothing from us.
And so, the Holy Spirit does not proceed also "from the Son". That is clear. Even
if one does not become a person who agrees with all of the other Orthodox
teachings, on this point, one can agree with what they say about this in the
Orthodox Church. As with the whole NT, this verse is addressed to every
Christian, not just members of the Orthodox Church. Non-Orthodox Christians,
however, sometimes say "and the Son", and THAT is where the trouble begins.
They don't take Christ at His Word in John 15:26! In Erie Scott Harringtonsay what?Dear westtexas, I believe John 15:26 means just what Christ intended us to
know. He kept nothing from us. He revealed the whole truth in just one verse.
John 15:26. He says the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father". Period. That is
all He said. That much is clear. He did not choose at that time to say "and the
Son". And there must be a reason why He did not say it. Could it not be the case
that is obvious, that since Christ is The Truth, He was keeping nothing from us.
And so, the Holy Spirit does not proceed also "from the Son". That is clear. Even
if one does not become a person who agrees with all of the other Orthodox
teachings, on this point, one can agree with what they say about this in the
Orthodox Church. As with the whole NT, this verse is addressed to every
Christian, not just members of the Orthodox Church. Non-Orthodox Christians,
however, sometimes say "and the Son", and THAT is where the trouble begins.
See what I mean, reading other people's opinions causes one to be confused.
Ok, noted.
Scotth1960
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say what?
See what I mean, reading other people's opinions causes one to be confused.
Dear Rockie, Not at all. Trusting oneself as a competent guide to the Scriptures
means that one can find anything whatsoever that one wants to find in the Bible.
We ultimately need to believe what all other Christians have believed, and not to
make up new, strange doctrines on our own. Just sitting alone with one's Bible
isn't going to reveal the whole truth to one. One must search the Scriptures
daily, to see whether those things be so. But one needs an authority higher
than oneself. For this, there is the historic Church. It is just a question of
recognizing which Church that is, and listening to that Church. The Church of
the living God (1 Tim. 3:15). It is not the church of you and me as individuals.
It is called the Body of Christ, not the separate members of. Each of us must
ultimately trust some body, some group of other believers, and believe the same
doctrines as they do. We cannot make it alone. I don't want to get my
opinions from myself. I am too likely to err, and to fall into sin(s) and false
doctrines. Some qualified Christian men and saints need to show me the
proper way to read the NT (and OT) Scriptures. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Dear Rockie, Not at all. Trusting oneself as a competent guide to the Scriptures
means that one can find anything whatsoever that one wants to find in the Bible.
We ultimately need to believe what all other Christians have believed, and not to
make up new, strange doctrines on our own. Just sitting alone with one's Bible
isn't going to reveal the whole truth to one. One must search the Scriptures
daily, to see whether those things be so. But one needs an authority higher
than oneself. For this, there is the historic Church. It is just a question of
recognizing which Church that is, and listening to that Church. The Church of
the living God (1 Tim. 3:15). It is not the church of you and me as individuals.
It is called the Body of Christ, not the separate members of. Each of us must
ultimately trust some body, some group of other believers, and believe the same
doctrines as they do. We cannot make it alone. I don't want to get my
opinions from myself. I am too likely to err, and to fall into sin(s) and false
doctrines. Some qualified Christian men and saints need to show me the
proper way to read the NT (and OT) Scriptures. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Well, you need to read some more books then to figure out what John 15:26 really says.
Scotth1960
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Dear Rockie, So, do you know what John 15:26 says without reading a book? It is so simple, it wouldn't take much book reading. "which proceedeth from the Father" (KJV). "who comes from the Father" (NIV). Why then say "and the Son"? To see why some people say "And the Son", however, takes book reading, many books on the controversy. But the Orthodox Church stands with Christ in John 15:26 and lets the Bible reveal the truth in simple terms "from the Father". No private opinion. Just Scripture. And this is the only Scripture that tells about the procession of the Holy Spirit. No other verses say "and the Son". In Erie PA Scott Harrington
But you are missing the entire point of that verse because of your denomination beliefs, Scott. Can you read it again and not focus on particulary WHERE the Spirit came from ? Instead focus on what it says.........
It is a scary thing to have someone telling you how to interpret the bible. The first time a christian reads the bible it should be without any imput from any human source, after a basic understanding of what is actually in the bible THEN it is safe to listen to what other have to say. This may sound strange, but I trust me with me more than I would trust any human that I know of. God taught me at a very early age to be completely truthful with the bible, if you have the Holy Spirit then just read the bible and God will guide you.Dear Rockie, Not at all. Trusting oneself as a competent guide to the Scriptures
means that one can find anything whatsoever that one wants to find in the Bible.
We ultimately need to believe what all other Christians have believed, and not to
make up new, strange doctrines on our own. Just sitting alone with one's Bible
isn't going to reveal the whole truth to one. One must search the Scriptures
daily, to see whether those things be so. But one needs an authority higher
than oneself. For this, there is the historic Church. It is just a question of
recognizing which Church that is, and listening to that Church. The Church of
the living God (1 Tim. 3:15). It is not the church of you and me as individuals.
It is called the Body of Christ, not the separate members of. Each of us must
ultimately trust some body, some group of other believers, and believe the same
doctrines as they do. We cannot make it alone. I don't want to get my
opinions from myself. I am too likely to err, and to fall into sin(s) and false
doctrines. Some qualified Christian men and saints need to show me the
proper way to read the NT (and OT) Scriptures. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Amen Sam! This is the most sensible post in this entire thread. God tells us not to trust in the flesh and God will lead us into all truth. You said it well!
westtexas
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Scott, you still haven't given an answer except for to tell me what the Orthodox Church believes in this Orthodox/Catholic controversy. If Jesus says "I WILL SEND" tell me why YOU do not believe that the Paraclete comes from the Father AND the Son.
Westtexas
Pizzaguy
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I came to the Lord at age 17, having no knowledge of what was in the Bible.
I asked the pastor for a good book to help me understand the Bible, he said to not even look for such a book for now. He told me to start my daily reading and let the spirit of God speak to me. He emphasized that I should not "try to understand every word, every doctrine, or even every parable - but to simply spend time in the Word each day.
I don't really like most "Bible Commentaries". I find great comfort in just reading the bible.