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What events in the Bible did not actually occur?

humble soul said:
I can't follow everything in the Bible. Even Bible scholars don't understand everything.
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No one can know all the mysteries the Bible contains, but we are to study to show our self approved of God as we allow the Holy Spirit teach us all truths. You say you are not much of a reader of the Bible and this causes the lack of knowledge within you. When you let a particular church (any church)teach you by their own doctrines then this veers from the doctrines of Christ. I know you have a heart for the Lord, but you need to pray and ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to truth.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 
for_his_glory said:
When you let a particular church (any church)teach you by their own doctrines then this veers from the doctrines of Christ. I know you have a heart for the Lord, but you need to pray and ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to truth.
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Ok don't be offended glory but when someone let's their own interpretation of the Bible steer them away from spiritual truths, they are seriously mistaken.
I know you have a heart for the Lord glory, but I think you need to open your mind to a bigger world and wider view of Christianity. The fundamentalist view is not the only view.
 
The good Old Holy Spirit is not enough. We need to open our mind to smarter Bible scholars than ourselves. In this respect I am quite humble. ?
 
See I'm prepared to admit the Catholic view is imperfect. But I wonder if those who choose to interpret the Bible themselves, question their own credentials?
The Catholic Church is accused of creating "man made doctrines".
What about man made interpretations of the Bible? Non Catholic Christians think the Bible speaks for itself. It doesn't. It needs interpreting. And the millions of interpretations leads to millions of variations on the truth. The truth is not as stable as first thought.
 
Serving Zion said:
How do you reconcile the religious view that sin came into the world through one man, "Adam" (Romans 5:12), if it is not viewed in a historical context?
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Might be a good question I'm not sure. I can certainly live with it.
Guess some people can't handle figurative meanings.
 
humble soul said:
Ok don't be offended glory but when someone let's their own interpretation of the Bible steer them away from spiritual truths, they are seriously mistaken.
I know you have a heart for the Lord glory, but I think you need to open your mind to a bigger world and wider view of Christianity. The fundamentalist view is not the only view.
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No offense taken. I use to view the bigger world and wider view and that is what led me back to the doctrines of Christ as everyone has a view, a thought and opinions, but it's only when we pray ad ask the Holy Spirit to teach us is when all truths are revealed to us by God's Spirit and not mans interpretations. This is why it is so important to use scripture within all the discussions so we can take them, read them for our self and allow the Holy Spirit teach us. This is why you will always see me post scriptures as I need not man to believe what I say, but that which has already been written. I'm not infallible, but the word of God is.
 
for_his_glory said:
but it's only when we pray ad ask the Holy Spirit to teach us is when all truths are revealed to us by God's Spirit and not mans interpretation
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So you are saying God and the Holy Spirit have revealed all their truths to you?
I suspect not. Maybe some truths.
Prayer should teach us humility. That the Holy Spirit has not transformed any Christian perfectly or totally .
I sense you have made up your mind a long time ago, that the holy spirit is talking through you at all times. I don't think it is.
Your version of Christianity is no better or worse than mine. Finally it doesn't matter what you or I think.
 
humble soul said:
Might be a good question I'm not sure. I can certainly live with it.
Guess some people can't handle figurative meanings.
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Well, see I am asking you to explain how you can claim to be of a faith that is of the authenticity that the New Testament writers have conveyed if your reading of the story of Adam and Eve makes it out to be only figurative.

When Paul says that sin came into the world through one man and then it spread onto all men, he is telling us that his view is that the world didn't have sin in the first place. That means that there has to have been a time in history when the man who we know to be Adam, did the Original Sin. The impact of this question is to determine the validity of the belief system that claims to be Christian when it is not believing that he scriptures mean to say what they quite plainly say. St. Paul has given us an example of his faith in the earliest of Christian times, wherein he is viewing the story of Adam and Eve as being literal accounts. Any contradiction to that, even if it is by respected Theologians, must be a divergence from the type of faith that he was promoting.
 
humble soul said:
The good Old Holy Spirit is not enough. We need to open our mind to smarter Bible scholars than ourselves. In this respect I am quite humble. ?
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so you are going to believe man over that of God's Spirit!!!................that's dangerous to put man above God my friend.
 
for_his_glory said:
so you are going to believe man over that of God's Spirit!!!................that's dangerous to put man above God my friend.
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I trust an educated Catholic theologian's view more than my own. Of course he is guided by the holy spirit. That's a given .
But he has done more homework.
We need to trust specialists. When I have an electrical fault at home I don't try and fix it myself.
 
humble soul said:
So you are saying God and the Holy Spirit have revealed all their truths to you?
I suspect not. Maybe some truths.
Prayer should teach us humility. That the Holy Spirit has not transformed any Christian perfectly or totally .
I sense you have made up your mind a long time ago, that the holy spirit is talking through you at all times. I don't think it is.
Your version of Christianity is no better or worse than mine. Finally it doesn't matter what you or I think.
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No, I only said the Holy Spirit reveals all truths in that of what we seek to know. Of course none of us are perfect, but are being transformed into the image of God by His Holy Spirit. I never claimed the Holy Spirit speaks through me as I am not divine like Christ in whom God gave Him to speak in all truths. I hear what the Holy Spirit teaches me and gives me to help teach others, but I will never learn all that the word of God has for us to learn. Like I said, I never tell others to believe me, but to search the scriptures I give and ask the Holy Spirit to teach them. I'm just as flawed as the next person trying my best to serve the Lord.
 
humble soul said:
I trust an educated Catholic theologian's view more than my own. Of course he is guided by the holy spirit. That's a given .
But he has done more homework.
We need to trust specialists. When I have an electrical fault at home I don't try and fix it myself.
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I have 40 years of homework under my belt, but I still would not tell others to believe me.
 
humble soul said:
That's better.
If I was to start preaching to you all that you are bound for Hell unless you become Catholic, I would be comitting serious sin.
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Actually I have had some Catholics say we are going to hell because we do not believe in the Roman Catholic doctrine. But then you have both sides saying this. To me it's all about having that personal relationship with Christ first and foremost above anything else as we are ever learning.
 
Serving Zion said:
Well, see I am asking you to explain how you can claim to be of a faith that is of the authenticity that the New Testament writers have conveyed if your reading of the story of Adam and Eve makes it out to be only figurative.

When Paul says that sin came into the world through one man and then it spread onto all men, he is telling us that his view is that the world didn't have sin in the first place. That means that there has to have been a time in history when the man who we know to be Adam, did the Original Sin. The impact of this question is to determine the validity of the belief system that claims to be Christian when it is not believing that he scriptures mean to say what they quite plainly say. St. Paul has given us an example of his faith in the earliest of Christian times, wherein he is viewing the story of Adam and Eve as being literal accounts. Any contradiction to that, even if it is by respected Theologians, must be a divergence from the type of faith that he was promoting.
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I haven't read enough of Paul to answer your question.
The question of Adam and Eve being real or not seems debatable in Catholic circles. A conservative Catholic will probably agree with you and quote Paul. Less conservative Catholics are not so sure. Here is one video might help;.
 
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