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jgredline said:Yep
While the study of the end times is not exactly my cup of tea, I do know enough to know I will be caught up hopefully in my lifetime.
Judy said:I believe you can see it in Rev 7:9-17
- Rev 7:9. After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10. and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!''
11. And all the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
12. saying: "Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.''
13. Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?''
14. And I said to him, "Sir, you know.'' So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15. "Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them.
16. "They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat;
17. "for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.'' [/*:m:e8e02]
JM said:Where is the rapture mentioned?
[I'm being difficult, I know.]
~JM~
Judy said:Well it is not mention by the word rapture, but it is implied by this great multitude no one could number.
JM said:All that is mentioned is the great mutitude, nothing about how they're gathered, etc.
JM said:All that is mentioned is the great mutitude, nothing about how they're gathered, etc.
.It cannot be any greater tribulation when you die! You cannot be killed twice
JM said:Where in Revelation is there a rapture?
Vic C. said:.
Hey Coop...
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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lecoop said:1) How did the great crowd without number get from earth to heaven?
2) How did the 144,000 as seen in chapter 14, get to heaven?
3) How does the two witnesses get to heaven?
Vic C. said:OK, so we can gather by Jason's post that a harpazo of the dead will be through a ressurection, but what about:
1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
What is Paul saying here?