2 evidences that water baptism doesn't save anyone

[Walpole]

Amen.


There are three distinct baptisms in the scriptures, with three distinct and different baptizers.


The one you mentioned is associated with salvation; regeneration, being born again by the Spirit.


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13




JLB

What Scripture says ---> "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)

What Scripture DOES NOT say ---> "One Lord, one faith, three baptisms"

 

[JLB]

What Scripture says ---> "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5)

What Scripture DOES NOT say ---> "One Lord, one faith, three baptisms"

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6



For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


How many Gods are there, three or one?


We can be sure there are three baptisms because scripture teaches us there are three baptisms.


However to understand that there are three different baptisms, together that make up the fullness of the one baptism, one only needs to look to and understand the Godhead, and that the Father, the Word and the Spirit are three distinct and different persons of the Godhead, each one being God themselves, no less or no more valid as God than the other, yet completely distinct from one another as well as indivisible as one, united in purpose.


The scriptures themselves teach there are three distinct and different baptisms, as well as three distinct and different baptizers.


To ignore one baptism in favor of the other is to ignore the many scriptures concerning baptism, and what the teach.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1 Corinthians 10:1-2


Paul uses shadows and types from the Old Testament to paint a picture for us, concerning this doctrine.

• all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

Baptized into Moses represents being baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit. This is when we are regenerated and come to be in Christ, whereby we are one Spirit with Him. The Holy Spirit being the Baptizer.


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13


Baptized in the cloud represents us being baptized with the Holy Spirit; the Lord Jesus Christ being the Baptizer.


I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Mark 1:8

again

for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5


Baptized in the sea, represents us being baptized in water, in which man is the Baptizer.


for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5

again

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-16

1. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ.
2. The Lord Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit.
3. Man baptizes us in water.

JLB

 

[Walpole]

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-6



For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


How many Gods are there, three or one?


We can be sure there are three baptisms because scripture teaches us there are three baptisms.


However to understand that there are three different baptisms, together that make up the fullness of the one baptism, one only needs to look to and understand the Godhead, and that the Father, the Word and the Spirit are three distinct and different persons of the Godhead, each one being God themselves, no less or no more valid as God than the other, yet completely distinct from one another as well as indivisible as one, united in purpose.


The scriptures themselves teach there are three distinct and different baptisms, as well as three distinct and different baptizers.


To ignore one baptism in favor of the other is to ignore the many scriptures concerning baptism, and what the teach.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1 Corinthians 10:1-2


Paul uses shadows and types from the Old Testament to paint a picture for us, concerning this doctrine.

• all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

Baptized into Moses represents being baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit. This is when we are regenerated and come to be in Christ, whereby we are one Spirit with Him. The Holy Spirit being the Baptizer.


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13


Baptized in the cloud represents us being baptized with the Holy Spirit; the Lord Jesus Christ being the Baptizer.


I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” Mark 1:8

again

for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5


Baptized in the sea, represents us being baptized in water, in which man is the Baptizer.


for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Acts 1:5

again

Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-16

1. The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ.
2. The Lord Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit.
3. Man baptizes us in water.

JLB

Just give me the verse that says there are three baptisms. St. Paul says there is only one. Where in Scripture is he corrected?

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

They were not saved by the water;

1 Pet 3:21 ".... eight souls were saved by water."

There is a night and day, up and down contradiction between what you say and what inspired Apostle said.

Second, Paul wrote that the Exodus generation was "baptized into Moses" in 1 Cor 10:2 - and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea NASB

However, we know that they passed "dry shod" through the Red Sea, per Ex 14:16 - “As for you, lift up your staff and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it, and the sons of Israel shall go through the midst of the sea on dry land. NASB

And, who did get "immersed" in the Red Sea? The Egyptian army. All of them. They were not saved by immersion. They were killed by immersion.

Just as Peter made a OT type to NT anti-type:

OT type-------------saved by water (flood)
NT antitype--------saved by water (baptism)

Paul makes similar comparison in 1 Cor 10;

OT type---------saved from Egyptian bondage by passing through water (Red Sea)
NT antitype----saved from bondage of sin through water (baptism)

The water itself of the Red Sea did not save Israel but the power of God holding the water back. Likewise it is not water that saves the sinner in baptism but the power of God in removing the body of sin Col 2:12.

To follow the story further, most that were 'baptized' in the Red Sea went on to die in the wilderness for disobedience. Likewise those water baptize having their sins remitted can turn to disobedience and be lost.

 

[JLB]

Just give me the verse that says there are three baptisms. St. Paul says there is only one. Where in Scripture is he corrected?

Jesus —

for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. Acts 1:5



Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1 Corinthians 10:1-2

• all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

Paul teaches there are three baptisms.


The book of Hebrews —

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. Hebrews 6:1-3



The Book of Acts —

Baptized into Christ
Baptized with the Holy Spirit
Baptized in water


While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:44-48


And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Acts 19:1-6


These disciples had been baptized in water by John.

When they heard about believing in Jesus they were baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

Then Paul laid hands on them and they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.



JLB

 

[Walpole]

Jesus —

for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. Acts 1:5



Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
1 Corinthians 10:1-2

• all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

Paul teaches there are three baptisms.


The book of Hebrews —

Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. Hebrews 6:1-3



The Book of Acts —

Baptized into Christ
Baptized with the Holy Spirit
Baptized in water


While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:44-48


And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. Acts 19:1-6


These disciples had been baptized in water by John.

When they heard about believing in Jesus they were baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.

Then Paul laid hands on them and they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.



JLB

I readily admit I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I still don't see "three baptisms" in any of the quotations you offered to support your assertion.

Again, St. Paul is explicit there is ONE baptism in Ephesians 4:5. If you believe he is in error and that there are in fact three and not one, please provide the verse stating this. Otherwise, just state you disagree with St. Paul.

 

[WIP]

I readily admit I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I still don't see "three baptisms" in any of the quotations you offered to support your assertion.

Again, St. Paul is explicit there is ONE baptism in Ephesians 4:5. If you believe he is in error and that there are in fact three and not one, please provide the verse stating this. Otherwise, just state you disagree with St. Paul.

Is it possible that there are multiple modes or processes for baptism, i.e., through water, Christ, or Spirit but still one baptism?

 

[WIP]

I have to admit, baptism to me is a very confusing topic.

 

[JLB]

Otherwise, just state you disagree with St. Paul.

This incident included Paul.


And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 19:1-6

1. These disciples had been baptized in water by John.
2. When they heard about believing in Jesus they were baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit.
3. Then Paul laid hands on them and they were baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Do you disagree with Paul’s actions?


Maybe Paul should have told these disciples of John that there is only one baptism.

JLB

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

One can get baptized with water until the cows come home—-if one is not baptized into “ The Body Of Christ” he has missed the thing that saves him.....There are many types of Baptism mentioned in the Bible.....most of them are dry.....the Baptism That is ESSENTIAL is being baptized into the Body Of Believers....

The one baptism that is in effect today (Eph 4:4-5) is Christ's baptism of the great commission that involves disciples (humans) administering water baptism. This baptism is how disciples are made and this baptism lasts till the end of the world. It is commanded to all men, it is done in the name of (by the authority of) the Lord, it saves, it is the baptism where one puts Christ on and is to be perpetually taught to all new disciples. All these things are only true of Christ's baptism of the great commission and not any other baptism mentioned in the NT. (Matt 28:19-20; Gal 3:27; Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38;)

 

[JLB]

The one baptism that is in effect today (Eph 4:4-5) is Christ's baptism of the great commission that involves disciples (humans) administering water baptism. This baptism is how disciples are made and this baptism lasts till the end of the world. It is commanded to all men, it is done in the name of (by the authority of) the Lord, it saves, it is the baptism where one puts Christ on and is to be perpetually taught to all new disciples. All these things are only true of Christ's baptism of the great commission and not any other baptism mentioned in the NT. (Matt 28:19-20; Gal 3:27; Mark 16:15-16; Acts 2:38;)

What about the baptism that is done by the Spirit, who baptizes us into Christ: into the body of Christ?


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13



I agree the baptism in water is done by man.



JLB

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

What about the baptism that is done by the Spirit, who baptizes us into Christ: into the body of Christ?


For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13



I agree the baptism in water is done by man.



JLB

1 Cor 12:13 is water baptism.

--1 Cor 1:14-16 Paul water baptized some of the Corinthians himself.

--the baptism of 1 Cor 12:13 puts one in the body and the body is the church (Col 1:18) and the church is the kingdom (Matt 16:18-19). From John 3:5 being born of water (reference to water baptism) puts one in the kingdom-church-body.

John 3:5-------Spirit++++++++water>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1 Cor 12:13---Spirit++++++++baptized>>>>>>>in the body

The role of the Spirit is His word in instructing men on how to be saved. The role of water is water baptism for remission of sins.

--From Matt 7:21 it takes doing the will of the Father to enter the kingdom. The Father commands men to be water baptize therefore those that obediently submit to water baptism are doing the will of God and can gain entrance into the kingdom.

--John 4:1-2 "When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)" Christ did not baptize anyone personally Himself but Jesus baptized by giving His authority to disciples to baptize:> "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" The Holy Spirit baptizes the same as Christ, not personally but by His authority (in the name...of the Holy Ghost). One commentator aptly put it "The unity of the godhead makes it correct to refer any action ordained and commanded by God, to the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit; and when the action is obeyed, it is proper to say that any one of them did it." Coffman.

The baptism of the great commission (human administering water baptism) is in the name of (by authority of) the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19-20). Therefore when one obediently submits to water baptism it can be said Christ baptized (Jn 4:1) the Holy Spirit baptized (1 Cor 12:13) since the baptism is done by Christ's & Holy Spirit's authority and command.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

There are 2 Scriptural passages that are about baptism but in fact people were saved by staying dry, rather than by immersion.

1 Peter 3:20-21 - who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ NASB

First, let's notice that Peter said that Noah plus the 7 were brought "safely through the water". He didn't say "by the water". Then, in the next breath, he says "baptism now saves you". Hm. He clarifies what he meant by the next phrase: "not the removala of dirt from the flesh". This is a reference to applying water to the body to remove dirt. So Peter was not referring to water baptism here as to what saves us. In fact, he corresponds baptism with the saving of the 8 "through the water". Obviously none of the 8 were immersed in the flood.

But…the rest of mankind DID get immersed in the flood. They were certainly water baptized, and died as a result. They were not saved by the water; they were killed by the water.

So, Peter is referring to what John the baptist said in Mark 1:8 (and Lk 3:16); “I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” NASB

This is a reference to regeneration, which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit when a person believes in Christ. This baptism is an identification of the believer with Christ, and is referred to as a seal in Eph 1:13 for the day of redemption in Eph 4:30. This is a dry baptism.

Second, Paul wrote that the Exodus generation was "baptized into Moses" in 1 Cor 10:2 - and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea NASB

However, we know that they passed "dry shod" through the Red Sea, per Ex 14:16 - “As for you, lift up your staff and stretch out your hand over the sea and divide it, and the sons of Israel shall go through the midst of the sea on dry land. NASB

And, who did get "immersed" in the Red Sea? The Egyptian army. All of them. They were not saved by immersion. They were killed by immersion.

So, what was this "baptism into Moses" that Paul wrote about in 1 Cor 10? It was an identification of the people of Israel with Moses. They went through dry, yet it was called a baptism. They Egyptian army got immersed and were destroyed.

These 2 passages demonstrate that water immersion isn't what saves. In fact, in these 2 passages, it is what kills, not saves.

The baptism that saves us is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, who regenerates us, gives us eternal life, and seals believers for the day of redemption.

Agreed
So let's change the subject
Do we really need another 200 posts account of any of these subjects that amount to nothing?

 

[JLB]

1 Cor 12:13 is water baptism

Man baptizes with water.

This baptism was first performed by John the Baptist.

This baptism comes after we are saved; born again.


1 Corinthians 12:13 is the Holy Spirit as Baptizer.

This is when we are born again by the Spirit, and are made to drink of one Spirit. We are now in Christ because believe, and therefore obey the Gospel.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13


This is certainly not John’s baptism, a baptism in water, whereby John or man is the one performing the baptism.



JLB

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Man baptizes with water.

This baptism was first performed by John the Baptist.

This baptism comes after we are saved; born again.

John's baptism was "for (unto) remission of sins" Mark 1:4 So one FIRST had to be baptized with John's baptism THEN his sins would be remitted (saved).

Also, John's baptism was a preparatory baptism looking FORWARD to the coming of Christ and His death on the cross. Christ's baptism, that replaced John's baptism, looks BACKWARDS to the cross as an accomplished event.

John's baptism no longer exists, it was replaced by Christ baptism (also for remission of sins) at Pentecost in Acts 2 with the preaching of the first recorded gospel sermon.

Therefore John's baptism had expired long before Acts 18. In Acts 18:25 Apollos only knew of John's baptism until he was corrected by Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:26). Anyone in Ephesus (Acts 18:24) Apollos taught and baptized with John's baptism had to be re-baptized for they were baptized with an expired, invalid baptism and had to be re-baptized "in the name of the Lord" (Acts 19:3-5). This baptism "in the name of the Lord" (Acts 19:5, see also Acts 2:38; Acts 10:48) is the human administered water baptism of Christ's great commission. No other baptism is "in the name of the Lord".

Those at Ephesus had been baptized with Christ's baptism that saves/remits sins.

Eph 2:8----------faith>>>>>>>>>>>>saves
1 Pet 3:21------baptism>>>>>>>>>>saves

Since there is but one way to be saved, no alternative, the the faith of those Ephesians must have included water baptism of Christ's great commission.

John 3:5----------Spirit+++++++water>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
Eph 5:26---------the word+++laver of water>>>>cleansed

The role of the Spirit in the new birth is His word that instructs men on how to be saved. The role of water/laver of water (baptismal font) is water baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 is the Holy Spirit as Baptizer.

This is when we are born again by the Spirit, and are made to drink of one Spirit. We are now in Christ because believe, and therefore obey the Gospel.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 1 Corinthians 12:13


This is certainly not John’s baptism, a baptism in water, whereby John or man is the one performing the baptism.



JLB

The Spirit does not personally baptize anyone. Paul himself water baptized some of the Corinthians himself. As with the case with the eunuch (Acts 8). The Spirit did not personally baptize the eunuch but sent for Phillip who water baptized the eunuch. Since Christ's baptism of the great commission is "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" then it can be said those that are baptized have been baptized by the Spirit since the baptism is authorized and commanded by the Spirit.

Therefore 1 Cor 12:13 is Christ's water baptism of the great commission. It is "by" or "through" the Spirit's command and authorization of water baptism that the Corinthians were water baptized by men such as Paul.

Acts 15:11 Peter points out Jew and Gentile are saved in a like manner way. The Jews in Acts 2 were water baptized for the remission of sins (saved) with Christ's human administered water baptism of the great commission (Luke 24:47 cf Acts 2:38). This means the Gentiles, Corinthians (Acts 18:8) were water baptized and saved exactly the same way as the Jews in Acts 2:38. As was Cornelius commanded to be water baptized 'in the name of the Lord'. (Acts 19:47-48). They were not immersed in Spirit but in water with the Spirit being the one directing, authorizing, commanding (by His word) water baptism.


Mt 3:11, Mark 1:8; only Christ baptizes with the Holy Spirit, Christ being the instrument baptizing men with the Spirit. You change the instrument from Christ to the Spirit as the instrument doing the baptizing in 1 Cor 12:13.

Baptism with the Spirit was only promised to the Apostles Acts 1:5 not anyone today.
Nowhere is it said baptism with the Spirit is in the name of the Lord.
Nowhere is baptism with the Spirit said to save
Nowhere is baptism with the Spirit commanded to men
Nowhere is baptism with the Spirit said to make disciples or last till the end of time. But was a prophecy of Joel that was fulfilled some 2000 years ago and therefore ceased.

The Spirit did not fall upon Cornelius 'in order' for him to be saved. The Spirit did not fall upon the Apostles 'in order' for them to be saved for they were already in a saved state. But men are water baptized 'in order' to be saved. So the Spirit falling upon the Apostles was for a different purpose for it falling upon Cornelius and it had nothing to do with bringing about salvation of either the Apostles or Cornelius Not everyone was baptized with the Spirit (as the eunuch) but all were water baptized.

Water baptism of the great commission is for everyone, commanded to everyone and the baptism of 1 Cor 12:13 is likewise for everyone. Yet everyone was NOT baptized with the Spirit, just the Apostles Acts 2 and Gentiles in Acts 10. Hence baptism with the Holy Spirit was never promised to everyone nor ever commanded to everyone meaning 1 Cor 12:13 cannot be baptism with the Holy Spirit.


No way baptism with the Spirit can be the one baptism of Eph 4:4-5

 

[JLB]

Apollos taught and baptized with John's baptism had to be re-baptized for they were baptized with an expired, invalid baptism

Sorry bro,

These were disciples of John, and were baptized with a baptism by John that was from heaven and was never invalid.

And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 19:1-6


Was John’s baptism from heaven or from men?


JLB

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Sorry bro,

These were disciples of John, and were baptized with a baptism by John that was from heaven and was never invalid.

And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?”
So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
Acts 19:1-6


Was John’s baptism from heaven or from men?


JLB

Acts 18:25 Apollos only knew the baptism of John which had expired back in Acts 2 at Pentecost. That is why Aquila and Priscilla had to " expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly" and those Ephesians had to be re-baptized having been baptized with John's invalid baptism.

John's baptism was from heaven but expired and replaced by Christ's baptism in Acts 2.

 

[JLB]

Acts 18:25 Apollos only knew the baptism of John which had expired back in Acts 2 at Pentecost

Brother water baptism, the baptism of John has never “expired”.

We are baptized into Christ, when we believe and therefore obey the Gospel.
This baptism is the work of the Spirit.

We are baptized by man in water.

We are baptized with the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ.

JLB

 

[JLB]

John's baptism was from heaven but expired and replaced by Christ's baptism in Acts 2.

While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Acts 10:44-46

These Gentiles believed the Gospel as Peter was speaking these words, in which they were born again, then the Holy Spirit was poured out upon them and they were baptized with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

At this point they are born again, in which they are baptized into Christ by the Spirit as well as baptized with the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ.

Now after these two baptism’s Peter commands them to be baptized in water.

Then Peter answered, “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 10:47-48


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[Ernest T. Bass]

John's mission was to prepare the way for Christ, and when Christ came John said "He must increase, I must decrease" John 3:30. John's point being his ministry, including his baptism had run its course, fulfilled God's will and would come to an end making way for Christ. John being a Jewish prophet and the Old law he lived under would give way to Christ's new gospel dispensation. John would soon die afterwards and his disciples would then go follow Christ.