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A Reprobate Mind Romans 1:28
Does God really turn people over to a Reprobate Mind ? Which means to be (Rejected) Will God's grace give you another chance ? Will God give the saved person who falls and has a hard time returning to the faith another chance even if they have slipped into all depravity ? Does a reprobate mind sound like Hebrews 6:4

Hebrews 6:4-6King (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


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Let’s look at the word reprobate for just a moment. A primary meaning of reprobate is “rejected.” Webster’s 1828 dictionary defines it as “not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.” This is also a Bible definition found in the verse you quoted:

Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the LORD hath rejected them. Jeremiah 6:30
 
When we look carefully at the Church today it is clear that God does turn them over, reject them and so on. It is very difficult to discern the true status of one claiming the name of th Christ. I have seen some that looked, very much, like the real thing but they walked away and right back into the life of intentional sin again.

The long and the short of it is that the Bible says God does and His Word, the Bible, is true.
 
Taylor millions of people have walked away and have returned. Train up a child, right. People go through things in life that is why Jesus came in the first place, He is the Doctor, because we are all sick left to ourselves. Some people fall in their lives and it is to be expected. But if they go to far will God turn them over to a Reprobate Mind ?
 
Undoubtedly... I wrestled with the thought until I met a couple who fit the description to a tee.
 
People who are classified as having a reprobate mind have some knowledge of God and perhaps know of His commandments. However, they live impure lives and have very little desire to please God. Those who have reprobate minds live corrupt and selfish lives. Sin is justified and acceptable to them. The reprobates are those whom God has rejected and has left to their own devices.

Can a Christian have a reprobate mind? Someone who has sincerely accepted Jesus Christ by faith will not have this mindset because the old person with a reprobate mind has been recreated into a new creation: “The old has passed away; behold, the new has come” (2 Corinthians 5:17). Christians are basically “new” people. We live differently and speak differently. Our world is centered on our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and how we can serve Him. Also, if we are truly in the faith, we will have the Holy Spirit to help us live a God-honoring life (John 14:26). Those with reprobate minds do not have the Spirit and live only for themselves.
 
Once Saved Always Saved Versus Born Again Again

Author: Creflo Dollar

Summary
There are Christians who believe that once we are saved, we are always saved, and we can never do anything that will cause us to lose our salvation. On the other hand, there are Christians who believe that once we are saved, if we do fall into sin, we are completely lost again. While there are bits of truth in both doctrines, they are still erroneous beliefs, according to the Scriptures. We must rightly divide the Word in order to truly understand salvation.
  1. The Once Saved Always Saved doctrine teaches that:
    1. No amount of goodness can save us; therefore, no amount of bad behavior will cause us to become unsaved.
  2. The Born Again Again doctrine teaches that:
    1. Once we become born again, if we sin, we are lost again. Therefore, we must confess our sins in order to be born again again.
  3. Both doctrines are erroneous. Here is the truth we know for sure:
    1. Our spirits are sanctified and perfected forever.
    2. Since we are not saved by our own goodness, a lack of goodness cannot un-save us.
      1. We cannot obtain our righteousness (right standing with God) through our own works; we receive righteousness by faith (Galatians 3:1-3).
      2. Everyone can receive salvation, but not everyone will (John 6:36-40).
    3. When we confess our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are born again.
      1. Therefore, we should hold fast to the profession of our faith without wavering (Hebrews 10:23).
      2. We do not have to confess every sin, all the time, in order to go to heaven.
  4. From God’s perspective sin is sin. We all fall short of perfection.
    1. To sin means to miss the mark. The only person who has ever walked the earth without sin is Jesus Christ.
    2. Ministers with legalistic, religious mind-sets have taught us that sins such as murder, adultery, and sexual immorality are worse than sins like gluttony or breaking civil laws (James 2:10; Romans 13:1-7).
      1. However, we also sin when we fail to do the good we know to do (James 4:17).
      2. All sin is equally bad in God’s eyes.
  5. We know that the “once saved, always saved” doctrine is incorrect because the Scriptures indicate that there is a possibility of losing our salvation (Hebrews 6:4-6).
    1. There is an unpardonable sin—mature Christians are held accountable and are damned when they knowingly and willfully reject Jesus Christ.
    2. There are certain criteria we must meet in order to commit the unpardonable sin.
      1. We have to be enlightened (John 6:44).
      2. We have to be truly born again.
      3. We have to be made a partaker of the Holy Spirit, which refers to being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
      4. We have to have revelation knowledge of the Word.
    3. When we knowingly turn away from God as mature Christians, and continue in a direction that rejects Him, God turns us over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1:28, 32).
      1. Reprobate literally means beyond hope. God takes away the Holy Spirit, and we begin to do things without His conviction.
      2. A person with a reprobate mind displays a total lack of desire for, or response to, God.
      3. As long as the Spirit of God deals with us, we know that we have not been turned over to a reprobate mind.
    4. If we turn away from God, and become committed to living a sinful lifestyle, we will be deceived by sin (Hebrews 3:13-14).
      1. Sin hardens us to God and the things of God.
      2. If we continue to have a wayward mind-set and deliberately sin, even though we know better, eventually Satan will deceive us into renouncing our faith.
Scripture References
  • Galatians 3:1-3
  • John 6:36-40
  • Hebrews 10:23
  • James 2:10
  • Romans 13:1-7
  • James 4:17
  • Hebrews 6:4-6
  • John 6:44
  • Romans 1:28, 32
  • Hebrews 3:13-14
 
iLOVE said:
Once Saved Always Saved Versus Born Again Again

Author: Creflo Dollar

Summary
There are Christians who believe that once we are saved, we are always saved, and we can never do anything that will cause us to lose our salvation. On the other hand, there are Christians who believe that once we are saved, if we do fall into sin, we are completely lost again. While there are bits of truth in both doctrines, they are still erroneous beliefs, according to the Scriptures. We must rightly divide the Word in order to truly understand salvation.
  1. The Once Saved Always Saved doctrine teaches that:
    1. No amount of goodness can save us; therefore, no amount of bad behavior will cause us to become unsaved.
  2. The Born Again Again doctrine teaches that:
    1. Once we become born again, if we sin, we are lost again. Therefore, we must confess our sins in order to be born again again.
  3. Both doctrines are erroneous. Here is the truth we know for sure:
    1. Our spirits are sanctified and perfected forever.
    2. Since we are not saved by our own goodness, a lack of goodness cannot un-save us.
      1. We cannot obtain our righteousness (right standing with God) through our own works; we receive righteousness by faith (Galatians 3:1-3).
      2. Everyone can receive salvation, but not everyone will (John 6:36-40).
    3. When we confess our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are born again.
      1. Therefore, we should hold fast to the profession of our faith without wavering (Hebrews 10:23).
      2. We do not have to confess every sin, all the time, in order to go to heaven.
  4. From God’s perspective sin is sin. We all fall short of perfection.
    1. To sin means to miss the mark. The only person who has ever walked the earth without sin is Jesus Christ.
    2. Ministers with legalistic, religious mind-sets have taught us that sins such as murder, adultery, and sexual immorality are worse than sins like gluttony or breaking civil laws (James 2:10; Romans 13:1-7).
      1. However, we also sin when we fail to do the good we know to do (James 4:17).
      2. All sin is equally bad in God’s eyes.
  5. We know that the “once saved, always saved” doctrine is incorrect because the Scriptures indicate that there is a possibility of losing our salvation (Hebrews 6:4-6).
    1. There is an unpardonable sin—mature Christians are held accountable and are damned when they knowingly and willfully reject Jesus Christ.
    2. There are certain criteria we must meet in order to commit the unpardonable sin.
      1. We have to be enlightened (John 6:44).
      2. We have to be truly born again.
      3. We have to be made a partaker of the Holy Spirit, which refers to being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
      4. We have to have revelation knowledge of the Word.
    3. When we knowingly turn away from God as mature Christians, and continue in a direction that rejects Him, God turns us over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1:28, 32).
      1. Reprobate literally means beyond hope. God takes away the Holy Spirit, and we begin to do things without His conviction.
      2. A person with a reprobate mind displays a total lack of desire for, or response to, God.
      3. As long as the Spirit of God deals with us, we know that we have not been turned over to a reprobate mind.
    4. If we turn away from God, and become committed to living a sinful lifestyle, we will be deceived by sin (Hebrews 3:13-14).
      1. Sin hardens us to God and the things of God.
      2. If we continue to have a wayward mind-set and deliberately sin, even though we know better, eventually Satan will deceive us into renouncing our faith.
Scripture References
  • Galatians 3:1-3
  • John 6:36-40
  • Hebrews 10:23
  • James 2:10
  • Romans 13:1-7
  • James 4:17
  • Hebrews 6:4-6
  • John 6:44
  • Romans 1:28, 32
  • Hebrews 3:13-14
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Now that is what I am talking about that was great:thumbsup
 
Lewis said:
Taylor millions of people have walked away and have returned. Train up a child, right. People go through things in life that is why Jesus came in the first place, He is the Doctor, because we are all sick left to ourselves. Some people fall in their lives and it is to be expected. But if they go to far will God turn them over to a Reprobate Mind ?
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We Live under a period called Grace. This means we get a second chance....How many is a second chance ? Well we are taught to forgive even if it means over and over and over again........Matthew 18:21-22 KJV......
Then came Peter to Him, and said, Lord how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him ? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but Until seventy times seven.

I said all this to say this........since Jesus has taught us this........don't you think if one who fell away and comes back with a repentative heart ....That God will forgive him and except him back ?? If not then that sure shoots the story of the prodigal son all for nothing.....

Reprobate mind..........Too many people judge others and feel that is what has been done. I will say this....be very careful how you judge some one as to they have been given up to this reprobate mind.....
God may very well do so but it is not up to us to judge this. It dont matter what kind of sin they are into, we are to pray for them and forgive them and some labor of the field shall minister unto him.

Yes God hates perversion and sexual sin and such but He still loves the person.......Just because some one gets caught up in some kind of sexual sin does not make them one who has been given up to a reprobate mind. Those inwhich we areshown in the bible turned from God to worship other things and yes do impure things but, look at the entire story.....Simply stop trying to prove who has a reprobate mind and go back to praying and sharring the gospel of christ and lets see them saved and turned around
 
iLOVE said:
Once Saved Always Saved Versus Born Again Again

Author: Creflo Dollar

Summary
There are Christians who believe that once we are saved, we are always saved, and we can never do anything that will cause us to lose our salvation. On the other hand, there are Christians who believe that once we are saved, if we do fall into sin, we are completely lost again. While there are bits of truth in both doctrines, they are still erroneous beliefs, according to the Scriptures. We must rightly divide the Word in order to truly understand salvation.
  1. The Once Saved Always Saved doctrine teaches that:
    1. No amount of goodness can save us; therefore, no amount of bad behavior will cause us to become unsaved.
  2. The Born Again Again doctrine teaches that:
    1. Once we become born again, if we sin, we are lost again. Therefore, we must confess our sins in order to be born again again.
  3. Both doctrines are erroneous. Here is the truth we know for sure:
    1. Our spirits are sanctified and perfected forever.
    2. Since we are not saved by our own goodness, a lack of goodness cannot un-save us.
      1. We cannot obtain our righteousness (right standing with God) through our own works; we receive righteousness by faith (Galatians 3:1-3).
      2. Everyone can receive salvation, but not everyone will (John 6:36-40).
    3. When we confess our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, we are born again.
      1. Therefore, we should hold fast to the profession of our faith without wavering (Hebrews 10:23).
      2. We do not have to confess every sin, all the time, in order to go to heaven.
  4. From God’s perspective sin is sin. We all fall short of perfection.
    1. To sin means to miss the mark. The only person who has ever walked the earth without sin is Jesus Christ.
    2. Ministers with legalistic, religious mind-sets have taught us that sins such as murder, adultery, and sexual immorality are worse than sins like gluttony or breaking civil laws (James 2:10; Romans 13:1-7).
      1. However, we also sin when we fail to do the good we know to do (James 4:17).
      2. All sin is equally bad in God’s eyes.
  5. We know that the “once saved, always saved” doctrine is incorrect because the Scriptures indicate that there is a possibility of losing our salvation (Hebrews 6:4-6).
    1. There is an unpardonable sin—mature Christians are held accountable and are damned when they knowingly and willfully reject Jesus Christ.
    2. There are certain criteria we must meet in order to commit the unpardonable sin.
      1. We have to be enlightened (John 6:44).
      2. We have to be truly born again.
      3. We have to be made a partaker of the Holy Spirit, which refers to being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
      4. We have to have revelation knowledge of the Word.
    3. When we knowingly turn away from God as mature Christians, and continue in a direction that rejects Him, God turns us over to a reprobate mind (Romans 1:28, 32).
      1. Reprobate literally means beyond hope. God takes away the Holy Spirit, and we begin to do things without His conviction.
      2. A person with a reprobate mind displays a total lack of desire for, or response to, God.
      3. As long as the Spirit of God deals with us, we know that we have not been turned over to a reprobate mind.
    4. If we turn away from God, and become committed to living a sinful lifestyle, we will be deceived by sin (Hebrews 3:13-14).
      1. Sin hardens us to God and the things of God.
      2. If we continue to have a wayward mind-set and deliberately sin, even though we know better, eventually Satan will deceive us into renouncing our faith.
Scripture References
  • Galatians 3:1-3
  • John 6:36-40
  • Hebrews 10:23
  • James 2:10
  • Romans 13:1-7
  • James 4:17
  • Hebrews 6:4-6
  • John 6:44
  • Romans 1:28, 32
  • Hebrews 3:13-14
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Although I don't agree with the talking in tongues part, I believe Creflo $ is a gifted teacher. It's too bad that, IMO, he's blinded by greed. Nonetheless, God's gift within him still operates. Same for Joyce Meyer--great teacher, but overcome by greed. Which should remind us that being effective in your gift is not always a sign that you must be doing everything right.

But anyway, the Bible does warn that even SANCTIFIED believers will be consumed with his adversaries (not chastised as his children) if they trample on the grace of God they have received by willfully sinning after they have received the knowledge of the truth (Hebrews 10:26-31 NASB). This is not to scare you into working real hard to be saved. It's to scare you back into the grace of God where there is deliverance from sin and the just punishment for that sin.

There's more than one way to fall from God's grace. One way is to rely on something else to justify you instead of faith in the forgiveness of God. Another is to think that God's grace means you can trample on that grace by continuing in willful unrepentant sin. Both represent a falling away from grace. And, if you persist in it, a turning over to do that which should not be done--IOW, be turned over to a reprobate mind that seals your fate for the Day of God's Wrath.
 
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Fish Catcher Jim said:
We Live under a period called Grace. This means we get a second chance....How many is a second chance ? Well we are taught to forgive even if it means over and over and over again........Matthew 18:21-22 KJV......
Then came Peter to Him, and said, Lord how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him ? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but Until seventy times seven.

I said all this to say this........since Jesus has taught us this........don't you think if one who fell away and comes back with a repentative heart ....That God will forgive him and except him back ?? If not then that sure shoots the story of the prodigal son all for nothing.....
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I think the 'going too far' that Lewis is referring to is going to far into willful, unrepentant sin in which the person does NOT ask God's forgiveness about. That person is in danger of being turned over to a reprobate mind. Which, once they are turned over, can not come back from (Hebrews 6:6 NASB). God is patient, but he does not contend with man forever.

If the repeat offender is repeatedly coming back to God in brokenness and humbleness of heart seeking God's forgiveness again and again, that is not the candidate for being turned over to a reprobate mind. They are safe in the grace of God. Venture away from his forgiveness and you venture away from the grace that protects and saves.
 
Jethro Bodine wrote
Although I don't agree with the talking in tongues part, I believe Creflo $ is a gifted teacher. It's too bad that, IMO, he's blinded by greed. Nonetheless, God's gift within him still operates. Same for Joyce Meyer--great teacher, but overcome by greed. Which should remind us that being effective in your gift is not always a sign that you must be doing everything right.
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I just love Joyce Meyer, she teaches you how to live
 
I for one could not follow any one word coming out of the mouth of someone filled with greed. A house divided and all that. Plus, rather than follow human teachers, I'd rather follow the inner teacher, our Friend Jesus. It is too frightening a thought to go adrift on the basis of the human word or teaching and given our frail natures, too easy to see happen. As long as there is humility in the human teacher and in the human discourse and community, all will be well. But greed is an insatiable form of pride and while the person suffering from it may be saved (only God is the judge), for myself I cannot take any word out of their mouth as gospel or even as gospel-friendly.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
I think the 'going too far' that Lewis is referring to is going to far into willful, unrepentant sin in which the person does NOT ask God's forgiveness about. That person is in danger of being turned over to a reprobate mind. Which, once they are turned over, can not come back from (Hebrews 6:6 NASB). God is patient, but he does not contend with man forever.

If the repeat offender is repeatedly coming back to God in brokenness and humbleness of heart seeking God's forgiveness again and again, that is not the candidate for being turned over to a reprobate mind. They are safe in the grace of God. Venture away from his forgiveness and you venture away from the grace that protects and saves.
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The thing is that neither you or I can determine when God will turn someone over to a reprobate mind. Clearly if backsliders return to the Lord, God did not turn them over to a reprobate mind.
 
Deborah13 said:
The thing is that neither you or I can determine when God will turn someone over to a reprobate mind. Clearly if backsliders return to the Lord, God did not turn them over to a reprobate mind.
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Correct. Our responsibility is to stay away from them until they return, if they do.
 
Maybe, but even satanists love to join a church of Christians, to corrupt them. Being among Christians does not make one a Christian. Just sayin'.
 
bluegirl said:
I for one could not follow any one word coming out of the mouth of someone filled with greed.
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It's not just that you wouldn't, but that you shouldn't. The danger being that what they are right about may lead you to worship the same false god that they are dead wrong about. I think we can learn a lot about this from God's command concerning prophets who announce miraculous signs and wonders and which come to pass (which is the sign of a true prophet). Even if they are accurate in their prophecy and win your trust that way, you are not to listen to the words of that prophet because they are also leading the people of God to follow other gods (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NASB).

The Creflo $'s and Joyce Meyers of today remind me of that scripture. For while they 'prophesy' properly and accurately the word of God, they also by their lifestyles and their distorted prosperity teachings lead the people of God to follow the false god of greed and the love of money. Consider that Balaam was a legitimate prophet of God, not a false prophet, yet he was condemned for his love of gain.


bluegirl said:
As long as there is humility in the human teacher and in the human discourse and community, all will be well. But greed is an insatiable form of pride and while the person suffering from it may be saved (only God is the judge), for myself I cannot take any word out of their mouth as gospel or even as gospel-friendly.
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And Biblically, I think this is the correct stance to have on the matter.
 
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