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Abomination of Desolation in 70AD

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Were These Seven Things in Daniel 9:24 Accomplished?

'Seventy weeks are determined for thy people, and for thy holy city,
to shut up (restrain) the transgression, Isa. 53:8 and Hebrews 9:15
and to seal up sins, John 1:29 and Hebrews 9:26
and to cover iniquity, Isa. 53:6, Romans 3:25, Hebrews 2:17
and to bring in righteousness age-during, - Isa 53:11, Romans 5:17
and to seal up vision and prophet, - Isa. 29:10
and to anoint the holy of holies. - Luke 4:18, Acts 10:38

I think so.
 
Antiochus IV's army desecrated the Temple and stopped the daily sacrifices. December 168 BCE, the Syrians built a pagan altar over the altar of burnt offering in the Temple and placed an image of Zeus Olympius upon it. , swine's flesh was offered on the altar to Zeus.

So Jesus was prophesying about a future event that actually took place 168 years before He was born?

I don't think so.

JLB

NO, it's Daniel's prophecy. Chapter 11 (part) of chapter 11.

Did I say Jesus gave a prophecy of Daniel 11?
 
26AD-33AD

The Jewish/Roman war of 66AD-73AD is a parody, separated by forty years wandering in spiritual wilderness, of Jesus' and His Apostles' seven year (70th week confirmation of the Messianic covenant) ministry to the Jewish people, whereby in the midst of that week Harrod's temple was destroyed instead of Jesus' body. Jesus bodily resurrection is paralleled by the miraculous growth of the Christian Church (spiritual body) out of the ruins of Judaism after the war.


Thanks! I forgot about the war being approx. seven years, too.
[MENTION=90700]Edward[/MENTION] this might help you, just wanted to make sure you see it.
 
Antiochus IV's army desecrated the Temple and stopped the daily sacrifices. December 168 BCE, the Syrians built a pagan altar over the altar of burnt offering in the Temple and placed an image of Zeus Olympius upon it. , swine's flesh was offered on the altar to Zeus.

So Jesus was prophesying about a future event that actually took place 168 years before He was born?

I don't think so.

JLB

NO, it's Daniel's prophecy. Chapter 11 (part) of chapter 11.

Did I say Jesus gave a prophecy of Daniel 11?

15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand ),For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21

The Abomination of Desolation is associated with the great tribulation.

The event of Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not bring about the Great Tribulation, nor did the events of 70 AD


JLB
 
Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not bring about the Great Tribulation


JLB, :)
I did not say that Daniel 11 is about the tribulation spoken of in Daniel 9 or Matthew 24.

Daniel 9 and Matthew 24 I do see connected and maybe at least a few verses of Daniel 12.
I'm still studying.....
 
Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not bring about the Great Tribulation


JLB, :)
I did not say that Daniel 11 is about the tribulation spoken of in Daniel 9 or Matthew 24.

Daniel 9 and Matthew 24 I do see connected and maybe at least a few verses of Daniel 12.
I'm still studying.....

Ok.

Daniel 12 is very informative to the time frame.


JLB
 
Antiochus IV's army desecrated the Temple and stopped the daily sacrifices. December 168 BCE, the Syrians built a pagan altar over the altar of burnt offering in the Temple and placed an image of Zeus Olympius upon it. , swine's flesh was offered on the altar to Zeus.

So Jesus was prophesying about a future event that actually took place 168 years before He was born?

I don't think so.

JLB

NO, it's Daniel's prophecy. Chapter 11 (part) of chapter 11.

Did I say Jesus gave a prophecy of Daniel 11?

15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand ),For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21

The Abomination of Desolation is associated with the great tribulation.

The event of Antiochus IV Epiphanes did not bring about the Great Tribulation, nor did the events of 70 AD


JLB

Twofold! Eccl.1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 and the way that God works! Gen. 41:32!

The G.C. (of 1990 had the pope right there in the highest place addressing the world/wide SDA church)
This was the Abomination that made the church DESOLATE.

And she was replaced! (extended) See Rev. 3:9 & ibid 10-11.

Now compare Rev. 12:17

--Elijah
 
Twofold! Eccl.1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 and the way that God works! Gen. 41:32!


I don't see how any future destruction of a rebuilt temple to perform animal sacrifices could be considered the same as a temple that was truly holy. The temples of the past started out holy temples of God. They could build another temple but it would not be God's would it?
 
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand ),For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21


What When will a temple built by man be holy? Do you really believe that a temple built will have a holy place? Will the presence of God be in a place that decries His Son's Blood?
 
15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand ),For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21


What When will a temple built by man be holy? Do you really believe that a temple built will have a holy place? Will the presence of God be in a place that decries His Son's Blood?

The name of the room is called the Holy Place.

The name of the place outside of that is the outer court.

These are the names that will be assigned to these places by those who build the temple.

Would you like to know the purpose for this temple?


JLB
 
Will this temple have a holy place?... That Scripture is not written as if it is a name of a room ... That Holy Place has been gone for a couple thousand years It was Holy because God was there.
 
Will this temple have a holy place?... That Scripture is not written as if it is a name of a room ... That Holy Place has been gone for a couple thousand years It was Holy because God was there.

The names of the places or rooms in the Temple are Outer Court, Holy Place and Holy of Holies.

Did the names of the places within the Temple change when Antiochus IV defiled them with swines blood?


JLB
 
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


You are the first person I have heard imply Jesus was calling out a room name... We do disagree :) Yet we are covered by the Same Blood Amen?
 
I think you all got this Wrong. No offense (As if adding that helps the offense to come)

My wife made some gravy. Home made with the butter, flour (Rue) and she added the meat drippings with some seasoning. It was gray with big white powdery lumps. I Knew that was what Danial had spoken about, the abomination of desolation right before my eyes in a pan. I thought about rebuking it in the name of Jesus, but it was already fore told in the bible so I did not waste my time. Nobody ate it of course and I thought I might have to call for a special permit to just put it in the public septic system.

I seen this Brothers, and I know you study hard, but the truth is I seen it in my kitchen. No hard feelings.

Mike.
 
Rebba:
I am gonna tell your wife

Oh my gosh the wife read over my shoulder the comments. I bet you prayed that Rebba and God answered. Wife would like everyone to know that she has made (Edible) gravy before. I am feeling pretty dumb now, the one post I post that the wife reads with Rebba's comment. I deserve it I guess, sorry to interrupt I have to grab my blanket and pillow now.

Blessings Mike.
 
Dan 11:21
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. Mark 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death . . .

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation(the desolator - false Christ), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it (he) ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


Mark 13:14 "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it [he, who is Satan] ought not, (let Him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:"

First understand that Judaea is the state that Jerusalem lies in. What takes place in the final days of this earth age, will originate out of Jerusalem and Judaea. We call that tiny state today "the nation of Israel". So first of all we must know what Daniel was talking about, and what this "abomination of desolation" that the world will see is all about. Jesus Christ made the book of Daniel part of the New Testament and the book of Revelation. This is because He said, when you see those events that Daniel was speaking of, let him that readeth them, understand that the end of this age is not far away. It is time to get out of Jerusalem for that is where all this is going to take place, and that is where this false messiah, Satan is going to rule from.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.' "

Daniel 9:27 says there will be a one week period of years, a seven year period, and in the middle of that period, the holy communion will stop. They will no longer take holy communion to Christ because they will think that Jesus Christ is already here. Then he continues on in the Hebrew, so lets look at what the Hebrew has to say about it.

"On the wings of abomination shall the desolator come in, and on the wing shall ye see the desolator." So the thing that we must pay attention to is the identity of the desolator. Satan is the desolator, and it is not the conditions of desolation, but a person, the devil who is Satan will be the desolator to cause the abomination. Satan is the false messiah, and when you see this desolator standing in Jerusalem and making the claim that he is God, What Christ is saying is that, "it is over". The plan of God for the age of flesh man is completed. You are so close to the end that you should get out of the land of Judaea.

http://users.westelcom.com/larabeeg/Satan.htm

http://www.theseason.org/mark/mark13.htm
 
Dan 9:27 - And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Abominations is plural. There is no single abomination for which 'it' is made desolate. Further, 'it' is desolate until the consummation, so desolation is not its final state. Desolation describes a spiritual quality which invites the pouring out of God's judgement.


So, whats your point?

What year are you claiming the 70th week occured.

When are you claiming that the prince who is to come, "confirmed" a 7 year covenant with many?


JLB

26AD-33AD

The Jewish/Roman war of 66AD-73AD is a parody, separated by forty years wandering in spiritual wilderness, of Jesus' and His Apostles' seven year (70th week confirmation of the Messianic covenant) ministry to the Jewish people, whereby in the midst of that week Harrod's temple was destroyed instead of Jesus' body. Jesus bodily resurrection is paralleled by the miraculous growth of the Christian Church (spiritual body) out of the ruins of Judaism after the war.

26AD-33AD?

Ok, then please show from the New Testament writings, where the events of the 70th week which are:

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

The prince who is to come, confirmed a seven year covenant. Please show from the book of acts where there is a seven year covenant, and specifically with whom?

But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

Please show the scriptures in the book of Acts, where the sacrifice and offerings stopped, since you say this happened in 26-33 AD.


And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

Where in the scriptures, specifically the book of Acts, where there was an abomination of Desolation set up in the Temple.

An event like that would have been earth shattering at the time and surely would have resulted in much controversy.

Luke surely would have at least mentioned something like the Abomination of Desolation in his writings, knowing it was a fulfillment of prophecy!

Furthermore, the Abomination of Desolation was the event that Jesus said would trigger the Great Tribulation, as it is written -

"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

and again -

1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. Daniel 12:1,11


Please show the scriptures from the New Testament where the Great Tribulation, which is said by Jesus and Daniel, to be a time of troublesuch as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Surely the greatest time of trouble that has ever been since the world began would rate some mention somewhere in the New Testament, since you are claiming it happened no later than 33 AD.

Could you please direct us to these verse's that talk about the Great Tribulation that happened in 33 AD.


JLB

You must be confused because I never said the great tribulation happened in 33AD.

Jesus' seven year ministry is the 70th week. For seven years (26AD-33AD) Jesus and then His apostles confirmed to the Jewish nation that the Messianic covenant had come true through the Gospel. At the end of the 70th week the Jewish leadership rejected this truth and stoned Stephen, after which the Gospel was extended to the gentile world. Separated by a generation (40yrs) from the 70th week is the parody of an antichrist week in which the Jewish leadership resorted to trusting in their own efforts to achieve what they had wanted the Messiah to do all along, which was overthrow Rome. This war (66AD-73AD) contains the fulfillment of the prophetic hyperbole commonly known as the great tribulation.
 
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