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So then, are you trying to say if I called on the name of Jesus and believed I could, then I could push Mount Everest a crossed the country? Cause that seems quite unimangineable and laughable to me.
I know you are talking to WIP here, but wanted to chime in also.

Only if God wants you to move it for His purpose as with God all things are possible if we do not doubt. We are not just going to willy nilly try and move a mountain with our hands because we want to, but by what God commands us to do as all we need is to speak it to be moved.
 

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I know you are talking to WIP here, but wanted to chime in also.

Only if God wants you to move it for His purpose as with God all things are possible if we do not doubt. We are not just going to willy nilly try and move a mountain with our hands because we want to, but by what God commands us to do as all we need is to speak it to be moved.




Okay good that makes more sense to me because somebody who was actually stupid enough to try doing that would probably be put in an insane asylum. :screwloose2
 

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If you ever have doubts about your faith or your understanding of the scripture, I recommend reading over the account of Jesus' resurrection in Luke 24.
Jesus had told the disciples that he would rise again but they didn't believe it even after they had seen Lazarus walk out of his tomb. They spent 3 years following him and watching him do what he said he would do, but they weren't waiting by the tomb. They were hiding out at home worried about the political fallout, except for the two women who were bring spices for Jesus' dead body. He told them he would rise again, but they expected to find a dead body.
Even when the women hear from angels that Christ is risen, the others think they are making up stories (v 11). Peter runs to see for himself but is just left wondering and not sure what to think.

Starting in v 17, risen Jesus comes to them and asks why they are sad and assuming he was a stranger they bring him up to speed on everything that happened to their friend Jesus, down to the "idle tales" of the women who found the empty tomb. Jesus responds with seeming frustration at their lack of belief and then "beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." In other words, he walked them through the old testament and pointed out all the passages that pointed to what he had just accomplished.
Later when he appears to the 11, he repeats the same process, recounting the verses that concern him and opening the scriptures to them.

Of all the 4 accounts, I believe this is my favorite for several reasons. One, because apparently resurrection works up an appetite (v 41), two, because even if you're walking with Jesus every day you might not understand everything until you're ready to see it and three, the disciples doubted but Christ didn't give up on them.

Luke 24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,
9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
That's my favorite account of that too. I actually think it's very funny and I wonder how Jesus could keep a straight face at first, lol!

15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

19 And he said unto them, What things?.../

What things?! As if He didn't know! He was playing with them and again later on when they break bread together and as soon as He lets them realize who He is...He pops out and disappears! I think that's awesome!
 

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Okay good that makes more sense to me because somebody who was actually stupid enough to try doing that would probably be put in an insane asylum. :screwloose2
Stupid by who's standard? If it was God's will for you or me to speak and move a mountain and we did in faith, would it be a stupid thing to do?
 

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Stupid by who's standard? If it was God's will for you or me to speak and move a mountain and we did in faith, would it be a stupid thing to do?




Look at the post above. I was responding to for_his_glory and saying that it would look stupid if it wasn't in God's will. *sighs* Why is it that everything I say seems to be twisted around and taken completely out of context? :wall
 

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So then, are you trying to say if I called on the name of Jesus and believed I could, then I could push Mount Everest a crossed the country? Cause that seems quite unimangineable and laughable to me.
Why laughable? Jesus said it could be done. Are you saying he was joking? I know you're not but in essence that is how it can sound. I don't think we should mock Jesus. As for_his_glory already pointed out, anything is possible with God. Notice the part I put in bold type.
 

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Why laughable? Jesus said it could be done. Are you saying he was joking? I know you're not but in essence that is how it can sound. I don't think we should mock Jesus. As for_his_glory already pointed out, anything is possible with God. Notice the part I put in bold type.


Again please read my last post, nowhere in here was I mocking Jesus. Please stop twisting around my words.
 

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Why laughable? Jesus said it could be done. Are you saying he was joking? I know you're not but in essence that is how it can sound. I don't think we should mock Jesus. As for_his_glory already pointed out, anything is possible with God. Notice the part I put in bold type.
Now let's take it a step further. For us to be "with God" requires faith, right?
 

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Again please read my last post, nowhere in here was I mocking Jesus. Please stop twisting around my words.
I'm not twisting your words. You said that for someone to call on the name of Jesus to move a mountain was laughable. But Jesus said with faith it could be done. If this is not what you meant, could you please clarify for me?
 

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I'm not twisting your words. You said that for someone to call on the name of Jesus to move a mountain was laughable. But Jesus said with faith it could be done. If this is not what you meant, could you please clarify for me?



Oh oops looks like there was a bit of miscommunication on my part. What I meant was that it wasn't actually laughable I just meant that it seemed to unbelievable to be real.
 

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I was just using it as a figure of speech.
 

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I think what we are really learning from all this is that we don't really have the faith that we think we have or claim we have. I think this is, in part, what Jesus was telling His disciples when he spoke of the mustard seed. How many times in Scripture do we see Jesus refer to His disciples as "Ye of little faith?" As I mentioned before, even Peter who had faith enough to walk on water still lacked faith.

I believe this is one of the probably many reasons we absolutely need our Savior, Jesus.
 

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I think what we are really learning from all this is that we don't really have the faith that we think we have or claim we have. I think this is, in part, what Jesus was telling His disciples when he spoke of the mustard seed. How many times in Scripture do we see Jesus refer to His disciples as "Ye of little faith?" As I mentioned before, even Peter who had faith enough to walk on water still lacked faith.

I believe this is one of the probably many reasons we absolutely need our Savior, Jesus.



:agreed
 

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All God has to do is command a mountain to move and it moves. God used Elijah to call fire down from heaven and Moses to part the Red sea for a couple of examples of how God works through us who have faith so why wouldn't God use you to do that which He commands.

Mark 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

There is so much faith contained in a size of a mustard seed as when faith is planted and watered it grows to maturity. This means when we submit all of our self to the Lord we grow in faith through the Holy Spirit who nurtures us in the word of God that equips us to move mountains, but if we doubt and hold unforgiveness in our heart then faith can not grow as our sins will not be forgiven.
My understanding of what's being said is that, in the last days that God will be doing bigger and mightier miracles than were done in OT days and that the people who He is going to use to do these through are the nobody's! (Luke 19:28-40)

It is the carnal mind that finds God's miracles unbelievable, and that is to be expected because miracles are a spiritual thing and so can only be discerned by one's spirit, and not their carnal mind. It does not have to be understood nor can be by the flesh mind. However! The faith of a little child can accept those things without understanding, simply trust in Abba, our Father. In faith. Let me tell you, the Lord always responds to acts of faith and He promised He would too, all through scripture.

I bet the world will change completely in one hour in the near future so then the supernatural will become commonplace once again to everyone. He is going to say enough is enough and make Himself known to the people's of earth when He brings some judgement upon the nations for the evil. Prolly earthquakes world wide, maybe the west coast gets hit by a tidal wave from north to south? Of such biblical proportions that No one would not believe, in one hour I bet!

But the ones who have received and trust in the Lord as a little child, it will not come nigh your dwelling as per Psalm 91!
 

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That's my favorite account of that too. I actually think it's very funny and I wonder how Jesus could keep a straight face at first, lol!

15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.

16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

19 And he said unto them, What things?.../

What things?! As if He didn't know! He was playing with them and again later on when they break bread together and as soon as He lets them realize who He is...He pops out and disappears! I think that's awesome!
Kind of reminds me of Joseph not revealing himself to his brothers when they showed up in Egypt. Might have been unsure if he could trust them in that case but still similar.
 

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My understanding of what's being said is that, in the last days that God will be doing bigger and mightier miracles than were done in OT days and that the people who He is going to use to do these through are the nobody's! (Luke 19:28-40)

It is the carnal mind that finds God's miracles unbelievable, and that is to be expected because miracles are a spiritual thing and so can only be discerned by one's spirit, and not their carnal mind. It does not have to be understood nor can be by the flesh mind. However! The faith of a little child can accept those things without understanding, simply trust in Abba, our Father. In faith. Let me tell you, the Lord always responds to acts of faith and He promised He would too, all through scripture.

I bet the world will change completely in one hour in the near future so then the supernatural will become commonplace once again to everyone. He is going to say enough is enough and make Himself known to the people's of earth when He brings some judgement upon the nations for the evil. Prolly earthquakes world wide, maybe the west coast gets hit by a tidal wave from north to south? Of such biblical proportions that No one would not believe, in one hour I bet!

But the ones who have received and trust in the Lord as a little child, it will not come nigh your dwelling as per Psalm 91!
When God tells us to do something we do it by childlike faith without question. It doesn't have to be considered or analized we just do it because God told us to do that which is according to His ways and not our way. God has always used the least because even within their imperfections they have unwavering faith.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 tells us the natural man being carnal can not understand the things of the Spirit of God as they are foolishness to them.

I think God is shaking the nations right now even within the hour with a pre-wake up call before the first trumpet sounds as we see the beginning of sorrows happening right before our eyes. The carnal mind just explains it all away.

I really like Psalms 91 as the promises of God are for all who have faith and doubt not.
 

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When God tells us to do something we do it by childlike faith without question. It doesn't have to be considered or analized we just do it because God told us to do that which is according to His ways and not our way. God has always used the least because even within their imperfections they have unwavering faith.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 tells us the natural man being carnal can not understand the things of the Spirit of God as they are foolishness to them.

I think God is shaking the nations right now even within the hour with a pre-wake up call before the first trumpet sounds as we see the beginning of sorrows happening right before our eyes. The carnal mind just explains it all away.

I really like Psalms 91 as the promises of God are for all who have faith and doubt not.



What happened this hour (or past hour) that I missed? Did something actually happen or are you speaking figuratively? :confused
 

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Without a reason that would be very wrong and wouldn't happen, it would be like you were testing God. There was always a good reason for every miracle performed
God works the miracles, and uses people of faith to work through them
 

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Why is just having faith "the devil's lie"?
Ever told an atheist all they need is faith?
Ever answered a serious question with, 'All you need is faith'?

The first will get you rightly laughed at.
The second does not help anyone with questions or doubts, yet on other forums you'll see deconversion stories where that has been the answer to serious faith problems.

That is why to say 'All you need is Faith' is a lie direct from the devil, something no Christian will ever say.
 

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Christianity is based on our belief and faith in Christ in whom He said He is,
So Paul when in 2Cor 14:14 etc says if Christ is not risen then there is no Christianity. (parapharase)
He is totaly wrong.
When atheists discribe faith as wishfull thinking they are right.

May I siggest you have a look at the various creed statements.
They All say, I believe in..... and go on to talk about historical factual events.
None are about imaginary things.
 

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