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KJV and the Only Personal Name of God

KJV-only scholars insist that only the KJV is the accurate word of God. But there is a very important problem with that belief which I would like one of them to solve for me.

You see, if we examine the OT Hebrew text which was used by the KJV translators, we find that the Hebrew personal name of God is used in about 6000 places. But it is revealed in the KJV in fewer than ten instances.

The most important of these few transliterations of God’s personal name in the KJV is found at Ps. 83:18. There we find that the Hebrew word YHWH has been transliterated by KJV translators as “JEHOVAH”:

18 “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

Here’s the problem: since the KJV is said to be the accurate word of God, and since it uses “JEHOVAH” as the only name for God when transliterating YHWH found in the OT Hebrew text (Jacob ben Chayim text - or the Bomberg edition), why does it not transliterate the other thousands of uses of YHWH found in that same Hebrew text as ‘JEHOVAH’?

A few places where the only personal name of God is found in the Ben Chayim (or Chayyim) text used by the KJV translators are found below. In addition, the Ben Chayim text itself is found by clicking on the “pastor pauley” link found below.

The page numbers of the text for the verses examined are also listed to help you find יהוה (YHWH) in these verses.


Remember to read from right to left in Hebrew!

http://pastorpauley.com/ancient/masoretic.pdf

p. 72 - Ex. 3:15 (יהוה - second line in :15, second word from left end)

(Ex. 3:15 in the Interlinear Bible {IB}, Green, Baker Book House, 1982):

“…You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah … has sent me to you; this is my name forever, and this is my title from generation to generation.”

……………..

p. 833 - Ps. 83:16-18 (Ps. 83:17 - 19 in Hebrew text) ה ו ה י - :17 (last word) and :19 (next to last word in first line of :19)

Psalm 83:16-18 in the IB:

“Fill their faces with shame, and they will seek Your name, O Jehovah. Let them be ashamed and terrified forever; yea, let them be confounded and perish. And let them know - Your name (is) Jehovah - that You alone (are) the Most High over the whole earth.

…………

p. 535 - Isaiah 37:16, 20 (first word in :16 and second word and next to last word in :20)

Isaiah 37:16, 20 in the IB:

16: “O Jehovah of hosts, God of Israel, who dwells (between) the cherubim, You (are) He, God, You alone to all the kingdoms of the earth; You have made the heavens and the earth.”

20: “And now, O Jehovah our God, save us from his [Sennacherib’s] hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You (are) Jehovah, You alone.

………………

p. 580 - Jeremiah 16:19, 21 (first word in :19 and last word :21)

Jer. 16:19, 21 in the IB:

“O Jehovah, … the nations shall come to You from the ends of the earth. And say, Our fathers have inherited only lies, vanity, and no profit is in them. …. Therefore, behold, I will make them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Jehovah.

…………………

p. 735 - Zechariah 13:9 (next to last word)

Zech 13:9 in IB:

“…. They shall call on My name and I will answer them. I will say, It (is) My people; and he shall say, Jehovah (is) my God.”

…………………

Why does the KJV not transliterate the other thousands of uses of YHWH found in the same Hebrew text as ‘JEHOVAH’ (as properly found in the IB or ASV)?

Please don’t waste everybody’s time by complaining that “Jehovah” or “Yehowah” or “Yahweh” etc. is not the original pronunciation of that name.

Probably no name found in English translations has the original pronunciation of personal names. This definitely includes the name of the Christ. He was probably called ‘Yehoshua’ (or something very similar)!
 
KJV and the Only Personal Name of God

KJV-only scholars insist that only the KJV is the accurate word of God. But there is a very important problem with that belief which I would like one of them to solve for me.

You see, if we examine the OT Hebrew text which was used by the KJV translators, we find that the Hebrew personal name of God is used in about 6000 places. But it is revealed in the KJV in fewer than ten instances.

The most important of these few transliterations of God’s personal name in the KJV is found at Ps. 83:18. There we find that the Hebrew word YHWH has been transliterated by KJV translators as “JEHOVAH”:

18 “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

Here’s the problem: since the KJV is said to be the accurate word of God, and since it uses “JEHOVAH” as the only name for God when transliterating YHWH found in the OT Hebrew text (Jacob ben Chayim text - or the Bomberg edition), why does it not transliterate the other thousands of uses of YHWH found in that same Hebrew text as ‘JEHOVAH’?

A few places where the only personal name of God is found in the Ben Chayim (or Chayyim) text used by the KJV translators are found below. In addition, the Ben Chayim text itself is found by clicking on the “pastor pauley” link found below.

The page numbers of the text for the verses examined are also listed to help you find יהוה (YHWH) in these verses.

Remember to read from right to left in Hebrew!

http://pastorpauley.com/ancient/masoretic.pdf

p. 72 - Ex. 3:15 (יהוה - second line in :15, second word from left end)

(Ex. 3:15 in the Interlinear Bible {IB}, Green, Baker Book House, 1982):

“…You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah … has sent me to you; this is my name forever, and this is my title from generation to generation.”

……………..

p. 833 - Ps. 83:16-18 (Ps. 83:17 - 19 in Hebrew text) ה ו ה י - :17 (last word) and :19 (next to last word in first line of :19)

Psalm 83:16-18 in the IB:

“Fill their faces with shame, and they will seek Your name, O Jehovah. Let them be ashamed and terrified forever; yea, let them be confounded and perish. And let them know - Your name (is) Jehovah - that You alone (are) the Most High over the whole earth.

…………

p. 535 - Isaiah 37:16, 20 (first word in :16 and second word and next to last word in :20)

Isaiah 37:16, 20 in the IB:

16: “O Jehovah of hosts, God of Israel, who dwells (between) the cherubim, You (are) He, God, You alone to all the kingdoms of the earth; You have made the heavens and the earth.”

20: “And now, O Jehovah our God, save us from his [Sennacherib’s] hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You (are) Jehovah, You alone.

………………

p. 580 - Jeremiah 16:19, 21 (first word in :19 and last word :21)

Jer. 16:19, 21 in the IB:

“O Jehovah, … the nations shall come to You from the ends of the earth. And say, Our fathers have inherited only lies, vanity, and no profit is in them. …. Therefore, behold, I will make them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Jehovah.

…………………

p. 735 - Zechariah 13:9 (next to last word)

Zech 13:9 in IB:

“…. They shall call on My name and I will answer them. I will say, It (is) My people; and he shall say, Jehovah (is) my God.”

…………………

Why does the KJV not transliterate the other thousands of uses of YHWH found in the same Hebrew text as ‘JEHOVAH’ (as properly found in the IB or ASV)?

Please don’t waste everybody’s time by complaining that “Jehovah” or “Yehowah” or “Yahweh” etc. is not the original pronunciation of that name.

Probably no name found in English translations has the original pronunciation of personal names. This definitely includes the name of the Christ. He was probably called ‘Yehoshua’ (or something very similar)!

Jehovah is a perverted name.

It is comprised of -

3050 - yah - shortened form for Lord
&
1943 - hovah - ruin or wickedness

A compound word.

YHWH is what the word is.

Jesus Christ is YHWH.

Y@howshuwa`

JOSHUA = YaHoWsHuwa

If you want to add some letters to YHWH then add these.

JLB
 
Jehovah is a perverted name.

It is comprised of -

3050 - yah - shortened form for Lord
&
1943 - hovah - ruin or wickedness

A compound word.

YHWH is what the word is.

Jesus Christ is YHWH.

Y@howshuwa`

JOSHUA = YaHoWsHuwa

If you want to add some letters to YHWH then add these.

JLB
Have you ever accused someone of not believing the bible?
I believe Jehovah is the correct translation. Nothing perverted about it.
 
Jehovah is a perverted name.

It is comprised of -

3050 - yah - shortened form for Lord
&
1943 - hovah - ruin or wickedness

A compound word.
That's just simply false and a complete misuse of Strong's.
 
KJV and the Only Personal Name of God

KJV-only scholars insist that only the KJV is the accurate word of God. But there is a very important problem with that belief which I would like one of them to solve for me.

You see, if we examine the OT Hebrew text which was used by the KJV translators, we find that the Hebrew personal name of God is used in about 6000 places. But it is revealed in the KJV in fewer than ten instances.

The most important of these few transliterations of God’s personal name in the KJV is found at Ps. 83:18. There we find that the Hebrew word YHWH has been transliterated by KJV translators as “JEHOVAH”:

18 “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.”

Here’s the problem: since the KJV is said to be the accurate word of God, and since it uses “JEHOVAH” as the only name for God when transliterating YHWH found in the OT Hebrew text (Jacob ben Chayim text - or the Bomberg edition), why does it not transliterate the other thousands of uses of YHWH found in that same Hebrew text as ‘JEHOVAH’?

A few places where the only personal name of God is found in the Ben Chayim (or Chayyim) text used by the KJV translators are found below. In addition, the Ben Chayim text itself is found by clicking on the “pastor pauley” link found below.

The page numbers of the text for the verses examined are also listed to help you find יהוה (YHWH) in these verses.

Remember to read from right to left in Hebrew!

http://pastorpauley.com/ancient/masoretic.pdf

p. 72 - Ex. 3:15 (יהוה - second line in :15, second word from left end)

(Ex. 3:15 in the Interlinear Bible {IB}, Green, Baker Book House, 1982):

“…You shall say this to the sons of Israel, Jehovah … has sent me to you; this is my name forever, and this is my title from generation to generation.”

……………..

p. 833 - Ps. 83:16-18 (Ps. 83:17 - 19 in Hebrew text) ה ו ה י - :17 (last word) and :19 (next to last word in first line of :19)

Psalm 83:16-18 in the IB:

“Fill their faces with shame, and they will seek Your name, O Jehovah. Let them be ashamed and terrified forever; yea, let them be confounded and perish. And let them know - Your name (is) Jehovah - that You alone (are) the Most High over the whole earth.

…………

p. 535 - Isaiah 37:16, 20 (first word in :16 and second word and next to last word in :20)

Isaiah 37:16, 20 in the IB:

16: “O Jehovah of hosts, God of Israel, who dwells (between) the cherubim, You (are) He, God, You alone to all the kingdoms of the earth; You have made the heavens and the earth.”

20: “And now, O Jehovah our God, save us from his [Sennacherib’s] hand, so that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You (are) Jehovah, You alone.

………………

p. 580 - Jeremiah 16:19, 21 (first word in :19 and last word :21)

Jer. 16:19, 21 in the IB:

“O Jehovah, … the nations shall come to You from the ends of the earth. And say, Our fathers have inherited only lies, vanity, and no profit is in them. …. Therefore, behold, I will make them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is Jehovah.

…………………

p. 735 - Zechariah 13:9 (next to last word)

Zech 13:9 in IB:

“…. They shall call on My name and I will answer them. I will say, It (is) My people; and he shall say, Jehovah (is) my God.”

…………………

Why does the KJV not transliterate the other thousands of uses of YHWH found in the same Hebrew text as ‘JEHOVAH’ (as properly found in the IB or ASV)?

Please don’t waste everybody’s time by complaining that “Jehovah” or “Yehowah” or “Yahweh” etc. is not the original pronunciation of that name.

Probably no name found in English translations has the original pronunciation of personal names. This definitely includes the name of the Christ. He was probably called ‘Yehoshua’ (or something very similar)!
The best answer that I can give, Is that is what God wanted them to translate it as. God could have wanted us to be able differentiate between, Lord of Host, Lord God, I am that I am, the Most High God, Jehovah etc...in order to get the meaning of what is being said. Such as...
Most High God - Heathens term for God
Lord of Host - God in War
etc...
 
Teddy

I'm not a KJV Onlyist. But I do read the KJV Bible more often than not. For some reason I never had the language problem a lot of people have. And I have to say that I have the JW's to thank for pointing out the importance of the Tetragrammaton. Though I'm not a JW either. LORD, and the few times Jehovah is used in the KJV, serves quite well in their respective places when one knows what it is they are supposed to be Translating. Trinitarians rarely bother with the issue. I think they don't like to mention a name associated with the JW's. KJV Onlyists are all Trinitarians so far as I know. So with you, I would be curious as well to see what they say on this matter. Surely God wouldn't offer a translation that for most people would hide his own name. The references you gave shows how important that name is to him.

You see any more Jesse Stone movies? Which have you watched so far? Unless you've changed your mind, we are the only ones on this forum that likes these movies.

I've read 6 out of 9 of the Robert Parker books the Jesse Stone movies are based on. I have to say that the difference between the books and the movies is astounding. Wouldn't suggest anyone who has a problem with swearing read them. Oh, there's swearing in the movies. But greatly toned down. And only used when the plot calls for it. The Jesse Stone of the books I can't relate to at all. He isn't a good guy. The Stone of the books and Jenn (Stone's x-wife) deserve one another as far as I'm concerned. And unlike the movies (where Jenn is never seen), they live together in the books, even though they are divorced. And still have gratuitous sex with anyone else they can with no qualms whatsoever. Stone in the movies had a reason for his promiscuousness. Unknown to himself. He didn't get to explore that with his Psychiatrist. But the reason was plain enough. The same with his drinking. In the books he stops drinking. That wasn't resolved in the movies. Though there's a hint of a possible reason for him to stop drinking and his promiscuousness alluded to in the 8th movie. Even the standard of living is different. And in the books (so far in what I've read at least) Stone is never without a job. For me the dog Reggie was integral to the movies. He's in all but one. No dog like Reggie in the books. Too bad Joe the Dog who played Reggie the dog in the movies died last year. I really don't like reading novels where the protagonist is pretty much as bad or worse than the antagonists. The Stone in the movies I can relate to. I think the only reason they're so different is due to media. It had to be toned down for TV. I could be wrong. Maybe Selleck had some input on the kind of person he wanted to portray. One thing is sure. Selleck didn't portray Stone as he was in the books. Even though Parker thought he did. And I for one am thankful.
 
JLB #18
Jehovah is a perverted name.

It is comprised of -

3050 - yah - shortened form for Lord
&
1943 - hovah - ruin or wickedness

A compound word.

YHWH is what the word is.

Jesus Christ is YHWH.

Y@howshuwa`

JOSHUA = YaHoWsHuwa

If you want to add some letters to YHWH then add these.

Wish I could see your Strong's Concordance. Nothing like mine.

Jehovah isn't a perverted name. It's a translation. A translation most commonly used by English translators. The next most common translation is Yahweh. Like Jesus is an English translation of the Greek word "Iesous". Maybe you think Jesus is also a perverted name. Would you prefer "Easus"? The word LORD is just a gloss. Don't know why they used that word for the name in the KJV when they had a perfectly good translation in Jehovah.

Nothing here that indicates even remotely that Jesus is YHWH. Except under the presumption of Trinitarianism.
 
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Jesse,

My wife and I have seen Night Passage (twice) and Thin Ice. The others are on my Netflix list (in proper order, I think).

Have you had the time to look into my 'Examining the Trinity' blog, yet?
 
I can just imagine a flock of sheep arguing amongst themselves as to the proper pronunciation of their Shepherd's name in their own Baa Baa language.:wink
 
I can just imagine a flock of sheep arguing amongst themselves as to the proper pronunciation of their Shepherd's name in their own Baa Baa language.:wink

I don't know the exact pronunciation of God's name, but I know it isn't "Lord".

The TOG​
 
Maybe that's why the Jews don't say it.

No, that's not the reason. They knew how to pronounce it, but stopped saying it, in spite of being commanded in the Torah to do so, because they wanted to avoid inadvertently using His name in vain and thereby violating one of the Ten Commandments.

The TOG​
 
No, that's not the reason. They knew how to pronounce it, but stopped saying it, in spite of being commanded in the Torah to do so, because they wanted to avoid inadvertently using His name in vain and thereby violating one of the Ten Commandments.

The TOG​

Didn't know that. :)
 
Teddy

There's a remarkable continuity in these movies. Something the books and the movies have in common. In the books a period of ten years pass. One of the six I've read was the last one Parker wrote. Which makes the book version of Stone about 46 or 47 in the last book. Not such an age gap for selleck who looks young enough at 60-67 to pull that off. As I remember, only about five years pass in the movies. What the books and movies don't have in common is that after the fourth movie, the movies take on a life of their own. That is, the last four movies aren't based on any of the books by Parker. So that the continuity of the movies is different than the continuity of the books. And as I said before, I like the movies better. Much better.

This is the order the Jesse Stone movies should be watched:

  1. Jesse Stone: Night Passage (January 15, 2006) a prequel to Stone Cold
  2. Stone Cold (February 20, 2005)
  3. Jesse Stone: Death in Paradise (April 30, 2006)
  4. Jesse Stone: Sea Change (May 22, 2007)
  5. Jesse Stone: Thin Ice (March 1, 2009)
  6. Jesse Stone: No Remorse (May 9, 2010)
  7. Jesse Stone: Innocents Lost (May 22, 2011)
  8. Jesse Stone: Benefit of the Doubt (May 20, 2012)

You've already watched "Night Passage". So next on your list should be "Stone Cold". Stone Cold was really the one that started it all. And it shows how Stone meets up with the dog Reggie. Sad that Boomer had to die in "Night Passage" so that Reggie could be in the rest of the movies. But it does reveal something of why Stone keeps saying that Reggie isn't his dog, that he's just caring for him until he can find him a home. Even after a few years pass.

And something else I thought of that contrasts the books with the movies. In the books, there are no blacks in Paradise. Stated unequivocally. In the books Molly is an Irish Catholic white woman with kids. Note in "Night Passage" she is played and played well by Viola Davis, who is black. Rose Gammon played by Kathy Baker in "Thin Ice" is closer to the Molly in the books.

One thing you might notice as I did. These movies seem to be noirish. The lighting is often a little low. And it seems to be always raining. Actually that's intentional. I looked up the weather in the Boston area. And apparently it rains a lot there. during all the seasons, unless it snows. So what seems noirish is just realistic. It's what makes the outside scenery so lush, I guess.


Regarding you blog: If your last post is Friday, January 17, 2014, about "Colwell's Rule", then I found it. I couldn't find your name there. More than I'll be able to read I think. I can ignore the JW stuff. I pretty much know most of their thinking. So that will just leave what you have written yourself. Some of that should be helpful.

I think you should know, I'm not a JW. Can't be. Don't believe in their version of non-Trinitarianism. When they come to my door I ask them one question. Where is your organization in the Bible. I've only had one person attempt to answer that question. You probably can tell, if you've read many of my posts, I'm not much for institutional religion. With their human leaders, interpretations written and unwritten, telling you what to believe and not to believe, closed communion for reasons of doctrinal disagreement (making one like a political refugee), shunning (a practice not limited to the JW's).


I wish you would have said something about interpretation on the "Trinity" thread. But if you're a JW, you probably agree with Free. That it's impossible to read the Bible without interpreting it on some level. I think my latest post there (#43) gave my interpretation on interpretation of the Bible. Sounds like a paradox, or maybe irony. Doesn't it?


I think I hijacked your thread with all this talk of the Jesse Stone movies. And I'm sorry if that messed it up for you. I probably should have stopped with my first paragraph. I haven't been here long enough to know who is and who isn't a KJV Onlyist. But it doesn't seem to me that a KJV Onlyist has responded yet.
 
You probably can tell, if you've read many of my posts, I'm not much for institutional religion. With their human leaders, interpretations written and unwritten, telling you what to believe and not to believe, closed communion for reasons of doctrinal disagreement (making one like a political refugee), shunning (a practice not limited to the JW's).
And yet the Bible itself, from beginning to end, shows that God continually sets human leaders in place because they are necessary. It is his way of doing things. As for leaders, or others, "telling you what to believe and not to believe":

1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers,
Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
Eph 4:14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--
Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

1Ti 1:3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine,

1Ti 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

1Ti 4:6 If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.
...
1Ti 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.
1Ti 4:12 Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
1Ti 4:13 Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching.
...
1Ti 4:16 Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

1Ti 5:17 Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.

1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness,

2Ti 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
2Ti 2:25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
2Ti 2:26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

2Ti 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it

2Ti 4:1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
2Ti 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.


(All from the ESV.) Your argument here, then, is against Scripture, not religious institutions.

I haven't been here long enough to know who is and who isn't a KJV Onlyist. But it doesn't seem to me that a KJV Onlyist has responded yet.
I think veryberry is the only resident KJVO, or at least the one closest to KJVO.
 
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