KJV and the Personal Name of God

[JLB]

The best answer that I can give, Is that is what God wanted them to translate it as. God could have wanted us to be able differentiate between, Lord of Host, Lord God, I am that I am, the Most High God, Jehovah etc...in order to get the meaning of what is being said. Such as...
Most High God - Heathens term for God

Lord of Host - God in War
etc...

YHWH is what is written in Hebrew.

Men added letters t

JLB #18


Wish I could see your Strong's Concordance. Nothing like mine.

Jehovah isn't a perverted name. It's a translation. A translation most commonly used by English translators. The next most common translation is Yahweh. Like Jesus is an English translation of the Greek word "Iesous". Maybe you think Jesus is also a perverted name. Would you prefer "Easus"? The word LORD is just a gloss. Don't know why they used that word for the name in the KJV when they had a perfectly good translation in Jehovah.

Nothing here that indicates even remotely that Jesus is YHWH. Except under the presumption of Trinitarianism.

What does this have to do with Jehovah being a compound word made up of the two words I listed.

hovah - 1943.

What does this word mean?

Yah - 3050 - Lord

Is this what you think is our Lords name.

My bible says Jesus is the name of The Lord.

 

[jasoncran]

Have you ever accused someone of not believing the bible?
I believe Jehovah is the correct translation. Nothing perverted about it.

god's name isn't Jehovah. the name isn't likely that all we have is yah. nothing more.

 

[teddy trueblood]

Jesse,

Except for “Thin Ice” which we saw already, we have the rest of the Jesse Stone movies coming up on NetFlix in the order you listed (with other things interspersed).

I grew up on the Oregon coast, taught school on the Washington coast and S.E. Alaska (17 years), and now reside on the Washington coast again. So the noir effect of dark, drizzly days is just like home to me.

As for my Blog, I am the ‘RDB’ whose initials are found at the beginning of some of my studies posted there.

Colwell’s article is there simply because I was updating the Greek font I originally used. I hope I got them all.

I knew you are not a JW. And I have no intent to ‘convert’ you. I just thought you might be interested in some of my studies concerning trinity ‘proofs.’ They are, for the most part, not from JW sources, but are quotes from Trinitarian scholars and my own personal research. You will easily see this in the ‘DEFinite John 1:1c’ study and much of the ‘My God - John 20:28’ study.

As for interpreting the Bible, I believe that if one is to take it as the inspired word of God (as I do), one must interpret some of it to make it a non-contradictory whole. For example, in my “MY God” study I have presented (1) the trinitarian interpretation of Thomas’ words, (2) a different interpretation by some trinitarian scholars and my own interpretation, and (3) the JW’s (and some others’) interpretation. The Isaiah 9:6 part of the “NAME” study is much the same.

 

[JLB]

god's name isn't Jehovah. the name isn't likely that all we have is yah. nothing more.

:amen

 

[teddy trueblood]

God's name is Jehovah if you believe the KJV (Ps. 83:18); ASV; Interlinear Bible; NEB (Ex. 3:15); MLB (Ex. 3:15).

 

[jasoncran]

God's name is Jehovah if you believe the KJV (Ps. 83:18); ASV; Interlinear Bible; NEB (Ex. 3:15).

and jews spoke german. I have studied the NAME its said by Hebrews that its not even known what It means literally but other then the Being. they take the YHWH as to understood as mercy and grace. I like that. names are labels that make statement about the bearers charachter

 

[JLB]

God's name is Jehovah if you believe the KJV (Ps. 83:18); ASV; Interlinear Bible; NEB (Ex. 3:15); MLB (Ex. 3:15).

To translate is to explain the meaning of one language using the words of another.

To transliterate is to spell a word using the letters of another language.

"I am" is the English translation of the meaning of God's personal name.

The English transliteration of God's personal name is YHWH,

Later, some Christian translators mistakenly combined the vowels of “Adonay” with the consonants of “YHWH” producing the word “YaHoWaH.” When the Scriptures were translated into German during the Reformation, the word was transliterated into the German pronunciation, which pronounces “Y” as an English “J” and pronounces “W” as an English “V” — or “Jahovah.” Then in the early 17th century when the Scriptures were being translated into English with the help of some of the German translations, the word was again transliterated as “Jehovah,” and this unfortunate accident has carried over into many modern English translations.


Webster's Collegiate Dictionary:

“Jehovah — False reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.”
(“Jehovah,” Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1973 ed.)

Encyclopedia Americana:

“Jehovah — erroneous form of the name of the G-d of Israel.”
(Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16., 1972 ed.)

Encyclopedia Britannica:

“The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.”
(“Yahweh,” The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 12, 1993 ed.)

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

“Jehovah — a mispronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH the name of G-d. This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.”
(“Jehovah,” The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. 7, 1904 ed.)

The New Jewish Encyclopedia:

“It is clear that the word Jehovah is an artificial composite.”
(“Jehovah,” The New Jewish Encyclopedia, 1962 ed.)

The Jewish Encyclopedia states that YHWH is "the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel", and describes the form "Jehovah" as "a philological impossibility".

Joshua = Yĕhowshuwa`- Strong’s Number: 3091


“YHWH is salvation” = the lord is salvation


If you need to add some letters to yhwh add these-


YHWH = YeHoWsHuwa = Jesus


JLB

 

[Jesse Stone]

Teddy

I lived in Corvallis OR (Oregon State University) for about four years. cloudy, cloudy, drizzle, drizzle. Sunshine once in a while. But it's sure beautiful there otherwise. I prefer a good old downpour rain to drizzle. More of that in the Jesse Stone movies. Don't think I'll ask what other movies are interspersed between the Jesse Stone movies. I've already got quite a few I haven't watched yet. Enjoy the movies and let me know what you think.

Now that I know that is actually your site, I'll see what I can find of interest.

Thanks for not trying to convert me. Most of the non-Trinitarian groups that I'm aware of seem to have pretty much the same doctrine. The JW's have one unique difference I have noted. The belief that Jesus is the first created angel. Michael if I remember correctly. There are two things that differentiate me from non-Trinitarians. I think the Holy Spirit is a person, not a force. And I think Jesus is Divine as the Son of God, but not God. Of course Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians agree that Jesus is human as the son of man. Why they can't achieve unity based on what they can agree on is a psych question.

The idea that the Bible, being the written word of God, should not be subjected to the interpretations of man is certainly not a popular position in Christianity. To me, interpretation has made something intended to be simple enough that a child can understand into something very complex. It's had the side effect of creating the need for Christian scholars. Not to mention creating a lot of Christian denominations. Paul was the first New Covenant scholar, and repudiated it in favor of something else. Dung was his chosen word used to describe what he was as a scholarly Pharisee. I assume dung is an acceptable four letter word here.

I really got a kick out of watching an episode of the first season of Babylon 5 not long ago. Where at the very end, as part of a celebration of the religious beliefs of the various races (alien and human) on the Babylon 5 station, the commander as earth's contribution, lines up a bunch of humans and starts introducing each of them and their religion. That line was very long. In fact the end of that line wasn't shown. I guess the moral of the story is that it's going to get a lot worse divisively speaking in the future. If the Lord tarries. And we should be thankful that today it's only as bad as it is.

 

[JLB]

Teddy

I lived in Corvallis OR (Oregon State University) for about four years. cloudy, cloudy, drizzle, drizzle. Sunshine once in a while. But it's sure beautiful there otherwise. I prefer a good old downpour rain to drizzle. More of that in the Jesse Stone movies. Don't think I'll ask what other movies are interspersed between the Jesse Stone movies. I've already got quite a few I haven't watched yet. Enjoy the movies and let me know what you think.

Now that I know that is actually your site, I'll see what I can find of interest.

Thanks for not trying to convert me. Most of the non-Trinitarian groups that I'm aware of seem to have pretty much the same doctrine. The JW's have one unique difference I have noted. The belief that Jesus is the first created angel. Michael if I remember correctly. There are two things that differentiate me from non-Trinitarians. I think the Holy Spirit is a person, not a force. And I think Jesus is Divine as the Son of God, but not God. Of course Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians agree that Jesus is human as the son of man. Why they can't achieve unity based on what they can agree on is a psych question.

The idea that the Bible, being the written word of God, should not be subjected to the interpretations of man is certainly not a popular position in Christianity. To me, interpretation has made something intended to be simple enough that a child can understand into something very complex. It's had the side effect of creating the need for Christian scholars. Not to mention creating a lot of Christian denominations. Paul was the first New Covenant scholar, and repudiated it in favor of something else. Dung was his chosen word used to describe what he was as a scholarly Pharisee. I assume dung is an acceptable four letter word here.

I really got a kick out of watching an episode of the first season of Babylon 5 not long ago. Where at the very end, as part of a celebration of the religious beliefs of the various races (alien and human) on the Babylon 5 station, the commander as earth's contribution, lines up a bunch of humans and starts introducing each of them and their religion. That line was very long. In fact the end of that line wasn't shown. I guess the moral of the story is that it's going to get a lot worse divisively speaking in the future. If the Lord tarries. And we should be thankful that today it's only as bad as it is.

What makes Jesus Divine?

He is the Only Begotten of The Father.

What does God beget, if not God?

Kind begets after its own kind.

Man begets man.

Lion begets lion.

God Begets God.



JLB

 

[Jesse Stone]

JLB

So what are you saying? That Jesus is another God? That there are two Gods?

 

[JLB]

JLB

So what are you saying? That Jesus is another God? That there are two Gods?

I am saying what the Bible says -

Jesus is the only Begotten of The Father.

and again -

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Jesus is God.

The Father is God

The Holy Spirit is God.


JLB

 

[BigSodaExposer]

Why do all other "versions" come back to the KJV?

Ok lets forget about the bible a second.... Whenever God is on something things just line up in a certain way. Right place, right time, everything just falls into place somehow. Thats how you know its divine. Personally it reminds me of the final destination movies. But not in a doom and gloom way. In a way that guides you like a loving father. It may be things that you personally don't understand. But father does. You just have to start listening to his voice. And listening to this "spirit".

With that said. This spirit, guided me to the KJV. In ways I can't explain I know that that is the official truth. Everything God wanted us to have is right there. Beginning to the end. It all has a purpose. There are no lost books...other translations, etc. That KJV is here now and is available to me in my native language.

All the perversions are works of Satan. Like Mark 9:29

KJV - "And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."

ESV - "And he said to them, “This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer"

NIV -"He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer"

There is much more then just this verse that has been altered. I just know it because of my personal battle with caffeine addiction and everything I learned. Why would Satan take out the word fasting? IMO because Satan doesnt want you to know that diet is important in casting out demons. If caffeine is leading us to be over stressed. Then that would make a breeding ground for demons/Satan.

 

[Free]

Why do all other "versions" come back to the KJV?

Ok lets forget about the bible a second.... Whenever God is on something things just line up in a certain way. Right place, right time, everything just falls into place somehow. Thats how you know its divine. Personally it reminds me of the final destination movies. But not in a doom and gloom way. In a way that guides you like a loving father. It may be things that you personally don't understand. But father does. You just have to start listening to his voice. And listening to this "spirit".

With that said. This spirit, guided me to the KJV. In ways I can't explain I know that that is the official truth. Everything God wanted us to have is right there. Beginning to the end. It all has a purpose. There are no lost books...other translations, etc. That KJV is here now and is available to me in my native language.

All the perversions are works of Satan. Like Mark 9:29

How about we avoid fallaciously calling versions other than the KJV, "perversions"? It would also be a falsehood to make such a claim.

KJV - "And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting."

ESV - "And he said to them, “This kind cannot be driven out by anything but prayer"

NIV -"He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer"

There is much more then just this verse that has been altered. I just know it because of my personal battle with caffeine addiction and everything I learned. Why would Satan take out the word fasting? IMO because Satan doesnt want you to know that diet is important in casting out demons. If caffeine is leading us to be over stressed. Then that would make a breeding ground for demons/Satan.

But that is just your opinion, isn't it?

http://www.christianforums.net/Fell...-is-opinion-do-you-know-the-difference.52422/

Fasting sharpens one's senses and focus, and brings clarity of mind and heart. It shows a willingness to put God before the desires of the flesh. Diet itself has nothing to do with casting out demons, nor does caffeine.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

How about we avoid fallaciously calling versions other than the KJV, "perversions"? It would also be a falsehood to make such a claim.


But that is just your opinion, isn't it?

http://www.christianforums.net/Fell...-is-opinion-do-you-know-the-difference.52422/

Fasting sharpens one's senses and focus, and brings clarity of mind and heart. It shows a willingness to put God before the desires of the flesh. Diet itself has nothing to do with casting out demons, nor does caffeine.

When I show you 3 versions of the bible, and two differ from the KJV, thats not opinion thats fact. And considering that Jesus is the one that said that, its not an opinion either. A demon the disciples could not cast out, that required Jesus himself. The disciples asked Jesus why they couldnt cast out the demon. And your answer is Mark 9:29

Why do people DEFEND their addiction to caffeine? Its no different than any other drug addict defending their addiction. One gets a pass, one does not. Why is that? Who knows.

 

[Free]

When I show you 3 versions of the bible, and two differ from the KJV, thats not opinion thats fact. And considering that Jesus is the one that said that, its not an opinion either. A demon the disciples could not cast out, that required Jesus himself. The disciples asked Jesus why they couldnt cast out the demon. And your answer is Mark 9:29

That even more than two versions differ from the KJV is a fact, I wasn't saying otherwise. But it is your opinion that the KJV is right and the other two are wrong.

Why do people DEFEND their addiction to caffeine? Its no different than any other drug addict defending their addiction. One gets a pass, one does not. Why is that? Who knows.

I'm not defending caffeine. It simply has nothing to do with the passage.

But anyway, this is all off topic.

 

[BigSodaExposer]

That even more than two versions differ from the KJV is a fact, I wasn't saying otherwise. But it is your opinion that the KJV is right and the other two are wrong.

You are not listening to what I'm saying. Why is everything compared to the KJV? In my opinion, every other version comes from it. In my opinion it is truly divine and unlike any other book I have ever read. Personally I did my own research and it led me to the KJV. I have always had the ability to discern the truth from an event. Much like Solomon judging the two women with one baby. Like taking several sources of data, and compiling them in my head to give me a clear perspective. I find the bible does this too. Like the first four books of the NT. Some give a little more, and some a little less, but they all give certain details. IMO this method teaches one how to have discernment and get the truth from several sources

 

[Free]

You are not listening to what I'm saying. Why is everything compared to the KJV? In my opinion, every other version comes from it. In my opinion it is truly divine and unlike any other book I have ever read.

I have been listening and these are just your opinions. People compare other versions to the KJV because they have all sorts of false ideas about what the KJV is, such that it is divine. It is a translation just like all the other translations, although it is among the better ones.

 

[Obadiah]

...All the perversions are works of Satan. Like Mark 9:29...

Why is it always the KJVOnly people that always have to resort to name calling, insults, and throwing up smoke screens to defend their very weak opinions while others try to discuss scripture rationally? Talk about a tool of Satan. Look at how Satan uses the KJV as a tool to turn how many Christians into arrogant know it alls that think they are the only ones who have a direct channel to God and think He told them their preference is the only correct one.

 

[Paul1965]

Why is it always the KJVOnly people that always have to resort to name calling, insults, and throwing up smoke screens to defend their very weak opinions while others try to discuss scripture rationally? Talk about a tool of Satan. Look at how Satan uses the KJV as a tool to turn how many Christians into arrogant know it alls that think they are the only ones who have a direct channel to God and think He told them their preference is the only correct one.

Amen!

 

[TOG]

When I show you 3 versions of the bible, and two differ from the KJV, thats not opinion thats fact.

Let's look at another verse.

And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people. (Acts 12:4 ESV)

After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover. (Acts 12:4 NIV)

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (Acts 12:4 KJV)​

There you have 3 versions. That's not opinion, that's fact. Now let's look at the context and get some more facts.

And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (This was during the Days of Unleavened Bread.)
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Peter therefore was kept in prison, but prayer was made without ceasing by the church unto God for him. (Acts 12:3-5 KJV)​

There's no question about it. The holiday being talked about is Passover, not Easter. The Days of Unleavened Bread are part of the Passover season, and Jews don't celebrate Easter. As a matter of fact, Christians didn't celebrate Easter at that time either, since this happened at a time when Christianity was still considered a sect of Judaism. The KJV got it wrong, and that's not opinion, it's fact.

The TOG​