Bible Study Moses was perfect---Adam was only good?

[JLB]

You contradict yourself out of refusal to face facts?
You claim experiences but won't accept what te Bible clearly says?
This is what so annoys me!
I don't post anything that can't be discovered in scripture in a couple of minutes.
Angels are beings who can be invisible spirits or materialise any kind of male body they feel appropriate to the situation.
Fallen angels have reglarly materialised female bodies to trick gullible people especially Catholics such as the Fatima and the Guadaloupe and Lourdes and many more that aren't widely written up.
The demons that Jesus and others so often dealt with are the spirits of the dead Nephilim. As they were fathered on Earth woen they are connected to Earth and presently wander about as UFO-aliens, ghosts, poltergeists, Bigfoots, apparitions, SpringheeledJack, Mothman.
My saying this sends the fake Christians in a frenzy of hate!

Please. Don’t attack people because they don’t see things as you, especially over a controversial subject as this, that is not a salvation issue. Please. Christians are not fake just because they haven’t studied the things the Lord has led you to study.

We want your stay here to be long and fruitful.

Please consider this.


God bless you.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Christians have no need to fear Satan, fallen angels or demons as James 2:19 tells us that they shudder at Jesus's name.
Logically this means all these will flee as mention of Jesus lets them know we know what they really are - and that when Jesus returns they will be either destroyed or chained.

If Christians are walking in righteousness they have authority to wage effective war against the enemy.


If a Christian is not keeping themselves set apart and living in sin, then they have an open door for the enemy to oppress them and deceive them.


We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18



JLB

 

[JLB]

See how you claim I am attacking you!

I was referring to Wondering not me.

 

[JLB]

I just don't understand why you all take that attitude. Just baffles me.

Im sorry.


I just want you to be a blessing to the body of Christ, the way God has intended.


I know you have been misunderstood and rejected, because you are unique and have some things to share that we need to hear.


Please let this Forum become a sanctuary of blessing for you, to share in peace.



JLB

 

[JLB]

I've spent my long life learning and I really do enjoy teaching...
You have to remember Revelation 22:15 says liars don't get saved so all Christians who refuse to accept Creation but claim bigbangevolutionfrommonkeytoman is truth are damned by their own mouth!

Amen.

 

[XRose]

OK
I'll hunt around the other forum threads to see what people think.
I am running out of Christian and Bible forums to join now.

 

[JLB]

OK
I'll hunt around the other forum threads to see what people think.
I am running out of Christian and Bible forums to join now.

Did you get my pm

 

[GodsGrace]

You contradict yourself out of refusal to face facts?
You claim experiences but won't accept what te Bible clearly says?
This is what so annoys me!
I don't post anything that can't be discovered in scripture in a couple of minutes.
Angels are beings who can be invisible spirits or materialise any kind of male body they feel appropriate to the situation.
Fallen angels have reglarly materialised female bodies to trick gullible people especially Catholics such as the Fatima and the Guadaloupe and Lourdes and many more that aren't widely written up.
The demons that Jesus and others so often dealt with are the spirits of the dead Nephilim. As they were fathered on Earth woen they are connected to Earth and presently wander about as UFO-aliens, ghosts, poltergeists, Bigfoots, apparitions, SpringheeledJack, Mothman.
My saying this sends the fake Christians in a frenzy of hate!

I'm not in a frenzy of hate.
I cannot contradict myself since I have no opinion.
I accept what the bible says.
I'm sorry you're annoyed,,,but I did not cause this.

As to Fatima and Lourdes,,,,
I do believe this might be blasphemous.
Jesus said:
Matthew 12:22-25
22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.
23All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.

Blasphemy is attributing to satan something that God does...
IOW,,,saying that something God does is demonic.

If you can believe that angels can become human and rape a woman during the night,,,then surely you can believe that Mary might appear to some. These visions bring persons closer to God...they cause persons to come to believe. This is certainly not a work of satan.

 

[XRose]

MA

I'm not in a frenzy of hate.
I cannot contradict myself since I have no opinion.
I accept what the bible says.
I'm sorry you're annoyed,,,but I did not cause this.

As to Fatima and Lourdes,,,,
I do believe this might be blasphemous.
Jesus said:

Where did I display a frenzy of hate?
MARY IS DEAD IN HER GRAVE WAITING TO BE RESURRECTED ON JUDGMENT DAY OR POSSIBLY WHEN JESUS RETURNS.
Lourdes, Fatima etc was just Satan impersonating Mary to make people believe in life after death - and you prove he is succesful.
As you refuse to believe Genesis 6 about the fallen angels and now say Mary really did appear at Lourdes then I have to say you really do need to ask GOD to send some wisdom.

 

[iLOVE]

Hi iLOVE,,,
This was brought up by another member and I just started this thread.

I believe the other member is referring to the fact that Noah is called a perfect person in some versions of the bible -- others use the term "righteous".
Genesis 6:9 NASB
9These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.

Genesis 6:9 AKJV
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


As to Adam, it is assumed that Moses wrote Genesis and thus Moses wrote (under inspiration) that Adam was good...
Genesis 1:31
31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

This would have included Adam from verse 27.

Thank you.

“9 These are the generations of Noah (the Holy Spirit brings this out, because Noah and his family were perfect in their lineage, in that it had not been corrupted by the union of fallen angels and women): Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations (Noah was justified before God by Faith in the Promised Seed; for Paul later said that he was an heir of the Righteousness which is by Faith [Heb. 11:7]), and Noah walked with God (this was the only man on the face of the Earth at this time of which this could be said).”

JSM

Adam was created in the Image of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit (Gen. 1:26-27, Gen. 2:7). The Image of God was lost at the Fall; however, restoration of the Image was carried out at the Cross, but the completion of that will not take place until the First Resurrection.

JSM

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you.

“9 These are the generations of Noah (the Holy Spirit brings this out, because Noah and his family were perfect in their lineage, in that it had not been corrupted by the union of fallen angels and women): Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations (Noah was justified before God by Faith in the Promised Seed; for Paul later said that he was an heir of the Righteousness which is by Faith [Heb. 11:7]), and Noah walked with God (this was the only man on the face of the Earth at this time of which this could be said).”

JSM

Adam was created in the Image of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit (Gen. 1:26-27, Gen. 2:7). The Image of God was lost at the Fall; however, restoration of the Image was carried out at the Cross, but the completion of that will not take place until the First Resurrection.

JSM

Thanks iLOVE. Yes, I do understand more now about Genesis 6:9.

What is the First Resurrection?
Isn't there only one?

 

[dianegcook]

I don’t know about so much about these angels “listening to Satan”, because that isn’t mentioned in scripture.


What is mentioned is this:


Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:1-2

• that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful;

This reveals that they saw and desired these beautiful women, to ”take wives” of all they chose.


This tells me that they “lusted” after these beautiful women, with the lust of the eyes.


Is it conceivable that Satan enticed them the way he enticed and deceived Eve? Yes, it is.

However the scripture doesn’t indicate this.

Here is what the scripture does indicate.


Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Job 1:6-7


again


Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Job 2:1-2


Two different times the sons of God, after the flood, came before the Lord to present themselves, and both times Satan was among them.


So, it’s reasonable to think your assessment is true, that Satan deceived and enticed them to notice the beautiful women the way he enticed Eve that the fruit was desirable.


Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:4-6





JLB

Rev.12:4
Satan's tail drew the 1/3 part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth, for to devour the child, Jesus...

 

[XRose]

Rev.12:4
Satan's tail drew the 1/3 part of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth, for to devour the child, Jesus...

The context of 12:4 is the woman is the church of Christians newly formed of Jesus believers. They had to flee and be dispersed across the world.
quote: The good figs from the Judah fig tree were soon scattered by persecution into all parts of the Roman Empire and beyond it. Wherever they went, they told the good news to those who would listen. They fed all nations with the good fruit from the tree and made many converts among non-Judahites. As these new converts came to Christ, they were then "grafted" as branches into that fig tree of Judah. Within a century, the Church (fig tree) began to bear many different types of fruit from all nations, with each branch obtaining its life from Jesus Christ. In fact, soon, the figs were outnumbered by the apples, pears, and apricots from the engrafted branches of other nations.'
I'm just reading a really good book about this. It's online if anyoen fancy a good but lomg hard read.

https://cdn.website-editor.net/bc7d5d49cfe2474bab9a3d88ed605da7/files/uploaded/The%2520Struggle%2520for%2520the%2520Birthright.pdf

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I haven't read this thread yet but both Moses and Adam might have been good in a worldly standard, but in a godly standard they both fell short and neither one of them was Jesus,.. so neither one of them was perfect.

 

[GodsGrace]

I haven't read this thread yet but both Moses and Adam might have been good in a worldly standard, but in a godly standard they both fell short and neither one of them was Jesus,.. so neither one of them was perfect.

Do you think Adam was perfect before the fall?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Do you think Adam was perfect before the fall?

Good question but no I don't think he was for the simple fact he was given free will, and if he was perfect, he never would have sinned against God. Also when I say that Jesus was perfect,.. I mean that He was sinless. Cause actually I do believe since He was fully human as well as fully God,.. He made mistakes. He just never sinned even though He was tempted. Matthew 4:1-11.

 

[iLOVE]

Thanks iLOVE. Yes, I do understand more now about Genesis 6:9.

What is the First Resurrection?
Isn't there only one?

“4 And I saw Thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (refers to the 24 Elders who represent the entire Plan of God, which pertains to the Redeemed of all ages; we aren’t told who these men are): and I saw the souls of them who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands (categorizes the Tribulation Saints who gave their lives for the cause of Christ; the idea is that these will be included in the first Resurrection of Life, and will enjoy all its privileges); and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (This is the Kingdom Age.)

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (This pertains to all the unsaved, in fact, all those who lived and died since the dawn of time. The souls and spirits of these people are now in Hell [Lk. 16:19-31].) This is the First Resurrection (proclaims the fact that these two Resurrections, the Resurrection of the Just and the Resurrection of the Unjust, will be separated by 1,000 years).

6 Blessed and Holy is he who has part in the First Resurrection (this is the Resurrection of Life, which will include every Saint of God who has ever lived from Abel to the last Tribulation Saint; all will be given glorified bodies): on such the second death has no power (the “second death” is to be cast into the Lake of Fire, and to be there forever and forever [Rev. 21:8]; all who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb need not fear the second death), but they shall be Priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (All Believers who have part in the First Resurrection will at the same time serve as mediators, so to speak, between the population of the world and God and Christ. The “thousand years” portrays the Kingdom Age, when Christ will reign supreme over the entire Earth.)” Rev. 20

JSM

 

[dianegcook]

The context of 12:4 is the woman is the church of Christians newly formed of Jesus believers. They had to flee and be dispersed across the world.
quote: The good figs from the Judah fig tree were soon scattered by persecution into all parts of the Roman Empire and beyond it. Wherever they went, they told the good news to those who would listen. They fed all nations with the good fruit from the tree and made many converts among non-Judahites. As these new converts came to Christ, they were then "grafted" as branches into that fig tree of Judah. Within a century, the Church (fig tree) began to bear many different types of fruit from all nations, with each branch obtaining its life from Jesus Christ. In fact, soon, the figs were outnumbered by the apples, pears, and apricots from the engrafted branches of other nations.'
I'm just reading a really good book about this. It's online if anyoen fancy a good but lomg hard read.

https://cdn.website-editor.net/bc7d5d49cfe2474bab9a3d88ed605da7/files/uploaded/The%2520Struggle%2520for%2520the%2520Birthright.pdf

Hi XRose
Just because a web site said it, doesn't mean it is truth.
Everyone has different interpretations .

My understanding:
Rev.12. Covers eons of times.
I believe there is 3 earth and heaven ages.
That we all existed before this flesh age, spiritually.
Satan use to be a cherub, guarding the mercy seat, Ezek.28:14..
He rebelled, wanting to sit on the mercy seat, a third of the angels, sons of God, followed him.
God could had destroyed them then, but God loves his children so much, He doesn't want any of them to perish..
Thus, this age of flesh, God came down here in the flesh for remission of sins, for without blood shed, there is no remission.
Satan wanted to stop that, thus try to destroy the Christ seed.
As Rev.12:5, the child was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, Jesus....
He was caught up to heaven unto God and to His throne.
Christ resurrected and sitting on the right-hand.

Rev12:1-3
The great wonder IN HEAVEN, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, a crown of 12 stars...representing, Mother Israel...
She being with child, travelling in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Remember this is in heaven.
A birth of a new age..
Isa.66:7-9
Before she travailed, she brought forth, before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Who hath heard such a thing?Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children..
Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth, and shut the womb?

 

[daninthelionsden]

I've heard that hereditary line referred to as the "Red Thread".

 

[daninthelionsden]

“4 And I saw Thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them (refers to the 24 Elders who represent the entire Plan of God, which pertains to the Redeemed of all ages; we aren’t told who these men are): and I saw the souls of them who were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands (categorizes the Tribulation Saints who gave their lives for the cause of Christ; the idea is that these will be included in the first Resurrection of Life, and will enjoy all its privileges); and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (This is the Kingdom Age.)

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (This pertains to all the unsaved, in fact, all those who lived and died since the dawn of time. The souls and spirits of these people are now in Hell [Lk. 16:19-31].) This is the First Resurrection (proclaims the fact that these two Resurrections, the Resurrection of the Just and the Resurrection of the Unjust, will be separated by 1,000 years).

6 Blessed and Holy is he who has part in the First Resurrection (this is the Resurrection of Life, which will include every Saint of God who has ever lived from Abel to the last Tribulation Saint; all will be given glorified bodies): on such the second death has no power (the “second death” is to be cast into the Lake of Fire, and to be there forever and forever [Rev. 21:8]; all who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb need not fear the second death), but they shall be Priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. (All Believers who have part in the First Resurrection will at the same time serve as mediators, so to speak, between the population of the world and God and Christ. The “thousand years” portrays the Kingdom Age, when Christ will reign supreme over the entire Earth.)” Rev. 20

JSM

Amen