the Day of the Lord. How long will it last?

[Who Me]

Instant is a small period of time and can not be measured within seconds or minutes. Theory teaches million of years, science teaches million of years, but yet all is not actuality, but only speculation according to mans gap theory.

So God will 'instantly change those who are his when Jesus returns, yet is incapable of clearly telling us how long it took to creat the universe, or is it that we will not believe what he oh so clearly say, that he took 6 days to create everything.

Of course the possibility that atheists who hate God could be deceiving people, to teach them not fo trust God could not be true. That is why Christians believe atheists isn't it.

 

[for_his_glory]

So God will 'instantly change those who are his when Jesus returns, yet is incapable of clearly telling us how long it took to creat the universe, or is it that we will not believe what he oh so clearly say, that he took 6 days to create everything.

Of course the possibility that atheists who hate God could be deceiving people, to teach them not fo trust God could not be true. That is why Christians believe atheists isn't it.

God is outside the measure of our time. Six days, six years, 6 million years, who knows for absolute as all is God's timing and numbering of days.

It's the same with what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 as we know immediately means right away, but in the measure of God's timing how quickly will the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:51, 52 how long is a moment and a twinkling of an eye in God's timing. We only perceive it to be very quick as in what an instant means to us.

 

[Who Me]

God is outside the measure of our time. Six days, six years, 6 million years, who knows for absolute as all is God's timing and numbering of days.

That implies that God does not know how long time is here in thius universe.
God created time, he knows how it works and he knows how it affects us, so when he said he created over 6 days he knew what that would mean to us, just as he knows what being changed in an instant means to us.

 

[for_his_glory]

That implies that God does not know how long time is here in thius universe.
God created time, he knows how it works and he knows how it affects us, so when he said he created over 6 days he knew what that would mean to us, just as he knows what being changed in an instant means to us.

All is in God's timing as He alone controls the universe.

This example might sound silly about the word instant but think about it:
Is instant pudding really instant right out of the box or does it take a certain amount of time to mix it?

Only God is in control of the heavens, the earth and all things are measured differently in the heavenly realm of God.

 

[Who Me]

Only God is in control of the heavens, the earth and all things are measured differently in the heavenly realm of God.

Yes God is in control and he knows how things work in heaven and on earth so when he say 6 days he means 6 days and when he says in the winkling of an eye he knows just how long it takes, here on earth for an eye to twinkle.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes God is in control and he knows how things work in heaven and on earth so when he say 6 days he means 6 days and when he says in the winkling of an eye he knows just how long it takes, here on earth for an eye to twinkle.

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

God's numbering of days and time are literal as sun up to sun set as in creation and symbolic like the number 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

A twinkling of an eye is the time it takes from the moment the light hits the front of the eye until it hits the back of the eye and is reflected back. In scripture it would mean from the time the seventh trumpet is sounded until the return of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

We have a moment, twinkling of an eye and the last trump being the seventh trumpet. When you put this together beginning with Rev 11:15 with the seventh trumpet sounding through Rev 19:11-21 this is what we read in the events of Christ return. After the seventh trumpet is sounded, (being that moment), Christ returns (twinkling of an eye) with His army of angels. At that time being the last day, John 5:28,29; John 6:40, Christ destroys the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Then slays all those who wondered after this beast and took its mark. During this time He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather together, both who are alive and those who sleep in the grave that are His own as we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and evermore be with Him, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.

 

[John Prewett]

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

God's numbering of days and time are literal as sun up to sun set as in creation and symbolic like the number 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

A twinkling of an eye is the time it takes from the moment the light hits the front of the eye until it hits the back of the eye and is reflected back. In scripture it would mean from the time the seventh trumpet is sounded until the return of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

We have a moment, twinkling of an eye and the last trump being the seventh trumpet. When you put this together beginning with Rev 11:15 with the seventh trumpet sounding through Rev 19:11-21 this is what we read in the events of Christ return. After the seventh trumpet is sounded, (being that moment), Christ returns (twinkling of an eye) with His army of angels. At that time being the last day, John 5:28,29; John 6:40, Christ destroys the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire. Then slays all those who wondered after this beast and took its mark. During this time He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather together, both who are alive and those who sleep in the grave that are His own as we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and evermore be with Him, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58.

At what point in time do the saved of our era get beheaded ?

 

[Who Me]

God's numbering of days and time are literal as sun up to sun set as in creation and symbolic like the number 1000 being a figurative number

Yes the days of genesis are as figurative as the days in exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[for_his_glory]

At what point in time do the saved of our era get beheaded ?

Even today in our era this is happening in other countries and will continue until Christ returns.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes the days of genesis are as figurative as the days in exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

This I agree with, but some numbering of days/years in scripture are also symbolic like I gave for the number 1000.

 

[John Prewett]

John Prewett said:
At what point in time do the saved of our era get beheaded ?

Even today in our era this is happening in other countries and will continue until Christ returns.

Thanks for reminding us of the obvious that beheading has been a method of killing people for thousands of years. You can't point to a time of beheading of the saved in Paul's end time writing because Paul knew nothing about such a day.



" I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years" Rev 20:4

Paul wrote NOTHING about the beheading of the saved that will occur in OUR soon coming end of era scenario.
PAUL wrote NOTHING about how to identify the Beast .....
PAUL wrote NOTHING about a coming "marking"
Paul gave no prophetic warning nor description of the Great Whore that God devotes two chapters in Revelation to describe.

Which are reasons Satan wants us to cite Paul and ignore the Revelation when we expound on the "end time.'

Satan wants all to think Paul wrote about our end of era scenario.

The Revelation is THE only God given root source of information about OUR end of era scenario. Only the Revelation explicitly promises to bless whoever will heed it.

 

[for_his_glory]

John Prewett said:
At what point in time do the saved of our era get beheaded ?

Thanks for reminding us of the obvious that beheading has been a method of killing people for thousands of years. You can't point to a time of beheading of the saved in Paul's end time writing because Paul knew nothing about such a day.



" I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years" Rev 20:4

Paul wrote NOTHING about the beheading of the saved that will occur in OUR soon coming end of era scenario.
PAUL wrote NOTHING about how to identify the Beast .....
PAUL wrote NOTHING about a coming "marking"
Paul gave no prophetic warning nor description of the Great Whore that God devotes two chapters in Revelation to describe.

Which are reasons Satan wants us to cite Paul and ignore the Revelation when we expound on the "end time.'

Satan wants all to think Paul wrote about our end of era scenario.

The Revelation is THE only God given root source of information about OUR end of era scenario. Only the Revelation explicitly promises to bless whoever will heed it.

You said: At what point in time do the saved of our era get beheaded ?

My answer: Even today in our era this is happening in other countries and will continue until Christ returns.

It's not me that is reminding anyone of the obvious, but that you asked an obvious question that I answered.

Paul never wrote anything about beheadings, but he did identify the beast out of the earth in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and was given greater detail by John in Rev 13 and 17.

What is written in Rev 20:4 is the vision John was given beginning with John the Baptist who was the first one to be beheaded for the witness of Christ and everyone thereafter until the last day when Christ returns with His army of angels from heaven, Rev 19: 11-21.

What many do not know is that in all reality the mark of the beast has always been beginning with those who followed and bowed down to Nimrod who established the Babylonian Empire by the River Euphrates, Genesis 10:8-10. The Targum says, Nimrod became a mighty man of sin, a murderer of innocent men and a rebel before the Lord.

Nimrod was also a false Messiah who married his own mother, Semiramis, and created his own evil religious system called Baal and worshiped and bowed down to their sun god.

The revelations are not something new under the sun in John's day when he received them, but began with Nimrod and his false religion that still remains today with the seven remaining nations that Daniel describes in Daniel chapter 7. So yes, many have taught about the beast and its mark and many have been beheaded for the witness of Christ beginning with John the Baptist.

 

[John Prewett]

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Paul never wrote anything about beheadings, but he ...

Right, because Paul was NOT writing about OUR end of era scenario.

(Paul) did identify the beast out of the earth in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 ...

No Paul does not identify the Beast in 2 Thess or anywhere else in his letters.
You must be hallucinating. Get help.

and was given greater detail by John in Rev 13 and 17.

Not just "given greater detail. Rev 13 & 17 contain the ONLY descriptions of the Beast.
ONLY Revelation 13-17 reveal how to identify the Beast. Which is a reason
Satan wants people to look everywhere else in regard to end time information.

What is written in Rev 20:4 is the vision John was given beginning with John the Baptist who was the first one to be beheaded for the witness of Christ and everyone thereafter until the last day when Christ returns with His army of angels from heaven, Rev 19: 11-21.
What many do not know is that in all reality the mark of the beast has always been beginning with those who followed and bowed down to Nimrod who established the Babylonian Empire by the River Euphrates, Genesis 10:8-10. The Targum says, Nimrod became a mighty man of sin, a murderer of innocent men and a rebel before the Lord.
Nimrod was also a false Messiah who married his own mother, Semiramis, and created his own evil religious system called Baal and worshiped and bowed down to their sun god.
The revelations are not something new under the sun in John's day when he received them, but began with Nimrod and his false religion that still remains today with the seven remaining nations that Daniel describes in Daniel chapter 7. So yes, many have taught about the beast and its mark and many have been beheaded for the witness of Christ beginning with John the Baptist.

You say "The revelations are not something new under the sun in John's day when he received them, ..."
Wrong. The God sent Revelation was very "new".

There has NEVER before been a "marking" system like the Revelation predicts ....
nor a WORLD RULER like the Revelation predicts.

By citing Paul in regards to end of era scenario,
you (and many) denigrate God's Revelation.

Though he deemed himself Godly,
before Paul was converted, Paul was a servant of Satan.

Though they may think themselves Godly, all who teach others to heed Paul in regard to end time scenario, ... thus downgrading the Revelation, are serving Satan.

Paul became a great servant of Jesus AFTER Jesus converted him,
but Paul knew NOTHING about our 2000 year later end time scenario.

Neither Paul nor those who looked up to Paul had any reason to know or worry about our 2000 year later end of era scenario. They cared about and needed to know about their own end time scenario. Not about an end time coming 2000 years later.

Before the Revelation was given to Him by God, even Jesus did not know the contents of the Revelation. When Jesus spoke the words recorded in Matt 24, Jesus did not know nor care about the our 2000 year later end time scenario which is revealed ONLY in the God-sent Revelation.

 

[John Prewett]

No other book in the Bible begins with an explicit promise to bless whoever heeds it.

Ignore/refute/denigrate that, and forfeit the blessing.

'The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show to His servants things which must soon take place. He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
2 who bears record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it, for the time is near.

 

[for_his_glory]

John Prewett

I'm sorry we can not have a discussion without your demeaning attitude to those who do not agree with you so I am done with this conversation.

 

[John Prewett]

John Prewett
I'm sorry we can not have a discussion without your demeaning attitude to those who do not agree with you so I am done with this conversation.

And I'm sorry you choose to whine and slink away rather than either refute (with scripture and logic) or concede error.

All need to know Paul wrote about his own generations significant coming events.

Whereas Revelation 13->forward ALONE reveals our current generations soon to come significant events.

I was an atheist for years.
I know how our ego/vanity rebels against admitting "I was wrong"

 

[Who Me]

This I agree with, but some numbering of days/years in scripture are also symbolic like I gave for the number 1000.

Yes but where genesis is concerned it is important to stress the literal nature of the 6 days.

 

[for_his_glory]

You must be hallucinating. Get help.

It's statements like these that you make quite often that you use against a brother or sister in slandering them when someone does not agree with you. It's for this reason I will no longer discuss this subject with you.

BTW, I have given you several scriptures to cross reference and also era histories, but you refuse to discuss them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes but where genesis is concerned it is important to stress the literal nature of the 6 days.

The literal of the six days of God's creation or we could also say the day of the Lord in that which He created within six days was God's timing of a day beginning with darkness when the earth was void until God said, let there be light. From evening (sunset) to morning (sunrise) was God's measuring of days, unlike man's numbering six days starting at midnight until whenever the sun would rise. The Jews still practice this measuring of God's timing within the Sabbath as Friday at sundown till Saturday at sunrise. So in all reality the day of the Lord is from darkness to sunrise.

The Lord's day is always the day of the Lord in His timing, not ours, and is also referred to as the Sabbath day being a day of rest. Our Sabbath rest comes when Christ returns on the Lord's day (day of the Lord) being the last day, Matthew 24:29-31; John 5:28, 29; John 6:40. God will send Christ down from His throne room to destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire and slaying all who followed after the beast taking its mark. He then sends His angels out and gathers those, alive and a sleep in the grave, who are His own as we are caught up to meet Him in the air, 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21.

 

[John Prewett]

....... Paul never wrote anything about beheadings, but he did identify the beast out of the earth in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and was given greater detail by John in Rev 13 and 17. ......

The "man of sin" that Paul predicted would come did come .... about 2000 years ago.

It could be said the "man of sin" that Paul wrote of
was liken to the "Beast" OF THAT generation/era.

Certainly Paul's "man of sin" is similar to the Beast in that the "man of sin" and the Beast were/are empowered by Satan.

Paul was not writing about the Beast that will soon emerge in OUR generation.
ONLY the Revelation reveals how to identify the Beast.
Only the Revelation reveals the Beast connection with the Great Whore
(The G.W. that came into being AFTER Paul's generation)
So only the Revelation would make one know the Beast was a Roman Catholic.
Only the Revelation would inform one of the Beast "fatal head wound".
Only the Revelation would reveal the Beast "was, and is not, and is to come"
Only the Revelation reveals the "marking" and the terrible fate of all who take the "mark"

Paul did NOT "identify the beast" The Beast comes in OUR era .... not in Paul's.

One does not need Paul's writings to identify the Beast. However,
One does need Revelation 13->forward to identify the Beast that will emerge in our era..