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[_ Old Earth _] Hey Barbarian
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Barbarian
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It's a fact. A lot of people had commented on the apparent fit of the different continents, but it took a meteorologist (Alfred Wegener) to actually put the case together.
His evidence:
1. The continental shelves (the underwater margins of contintents) fit together nicely if you move them together.
2. Mountain ranges and glacial tracks on one continent match up nicely with those in other continents, if you push them together.
3. Fossils of certain non-marine animals are found in very limited areas, but those areas line up if you push the continents together.
The reason he wasn't believed:
He couldn't explain a mechanism by which continents would move.
It wasn't until the 1960s, and seafloor spreading was observed that it became clear how this was happening. By 1965, the year I entered college, plate tectonics had become a mature theory, and the mystery was solved.
His evidence:
1. The continental shelves (the underwater margins of contintents) fit together nicely if you move them together.
2. Mountain ranges and glacial tracks on one continent match up nicely with those in other continents, if you push them together.
3. Fossils of certain non-marine animals are found in very limited areas, but those areas line up if you push the continents together.
The reason he wasn't believed:
He couldn't explain a mechanism by which continents would move.
It wasn't until the 1960s, and seafloor spreading was observed that it became clear how this was happening. By 1965, the year I entered college, plate tectonics had become a mature theory, and the mystery was solved.
Lewis
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I believe this, but I also believe that this one done by divine intervention during the flood. Because the earth was all one land mass, and God told man to spread upon the earth but at the tower of Babel man was all one in one place so God made some rearrangements and they came during the flood.
Not_Now.Soon
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If Pangea existed while men were around, could that be incorporated with fossils of mankind in different contantants from early history?
Barbarian
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The problem with it happening in human times, is that the frictional heat generated by movement of even few hundred meters a year would have boiled the seas.
And the distance traveled is over 4 degrees of magnitude greater than that. The actual speed is a few centimeters per year.
And the distance traveled is over 4 degrees of magnitude greater than that. The actual speed is a few centimeters per year.
Lewis
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A change in the overall topography of the earth after the Flood would also account for the water of the Flood.This is exactly what is suggested in Psalm 104:8, "The mountains rose; the valleys sank down to the place which Thou did establish for them."This verse in the context of verses 6-9 must be referring to the events of Noah's Flood.In verse 9: "Thou didst set a boundary that they may not pass over; That they may not return to cover the earth."This must refer to God's promise not to flood the entire earth again after Noah's Flood.The Psalmist exalts God's power in this awesome Psalm in verses 6 and 7."Thou didst cover it with the deep as with a garment; The waters were standing above the mountains.At thy rebuke they fled; At the sound of Thy thunder they hurried away."Thus, God simply rebuked the waters that covered the mountains and they went to their "established place" as the mountains rose and the valleys sank.
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Barbarian
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But He isn't deceptive. So I will not believe He'd fake the evidence for millions of years.
Lewis
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It is not fake, it is just the way man perceives it. What God did was push the mountains up for water run off and pulled the floor down to further create water run off. Now during this He made massive changes. Now what man says is garbage man can't prove millions of years
"Even many creationists" Sorry, truth is not a democracy.
When you get to heaven, God will simply say..."what did my word say?". You will say But..... and He'll say ..... and you will go Ohhh, I see now.... DOoooh.
Barbarian
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Barbarian observes:
Even many creationists admit that the world looks millions of years old.
They aren't a majority among creationists. But they are right about the evidence; it does indicate that the world is very old.
Even many creationists admit that the world looks millions of years old.
They aren't a majority among creationists. But they are right about the evidence; it does indicate that the world is very old.
Lewis
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Yes Barbarian the world does appear to be very old 6 to 10 years old is very old. The only other way to get millions of years is to go
Pre-Adamite
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Lewis
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Check this out
Did God create over billions of years?
And why is it important?
http://creation.com/Did-god-create-over-billions-of-years
http://creation.com/
Did God create over billions of years?
And why is it important?
http://creation.com/Did-god-create-over-billions-of-years
http://creation.com/
Barbarian
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The most shocking thing at that site, is that those people, professing Christianity, fear death and think of it as a terrible thing. We should not fear death at all; Jesus defeated death, and not it has no sting. We die looking forward to a glorious resurrection in Him.
No Christian should fear death.
Of course, their re-interpretation of Scripture challenges orthodoxy as well, as does their claim that choosing between YE and OE is important. It means nothing at all to one's salvation, unless one tries to define Christians by one's choice of the two.
That is a risky business, I think.
No Christian should fear death.
Of course, their re-interpretation of Scripture challenges orthodoxy as well, as does their claim that choosing between YE and OE is important. It means nothing at all to one's salvation, unless one tries to define Christians by one's choice of the two.
That is a risky business, I think.
Not_Now.Soon
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Sorry for the correction Lewis, but I think the Tower of Babel came in chapter 11 of Genesis. The flood ended I think in chapter 8. The history before the flood is mostly a mystery, just long lives up to the point of the flood, and an apparent world full of sin. I agree with the understanding that the likely reason for Babel's discernment is that they didn't spread upon the earth.
Not_Now.Soon
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Sorry also for both of you. I didn't mean to turn this thread into a young earth / old earth debate. It was just a thought based on knowledge in highschool of migration to America through the ice bridge accross Alaska and Russia. Then later findings of mankind being in South America way before what made sense with the migration ice bridge perspective. Pangea or ancient technologically advanced societies are the only two theories tgat I can think of to explain such anomalies. Thanks Barbarian for the explaination of Pangea.
New theory is back to Geneis's 7 days of creation. Genesis 1:9-10 states that on the third day (era?) water was gathered to one place and land appeared. That gathering of water could be hypothetically the formation of the planet, or the one place could be where land formed in the seas. Pangea. Three more eras or days for it to move away before mankind comes into the scene.
Either way, sorry again for creating a controversy and leaving. (It wasn't on purpose.)
New theory is back to Geneis's 7 days of creation. Genesis 1:9-10 states that on the third day (era?) water was gathered to one place and land appeared. That gathering of water could be hypothetically the formation of the planet, or the one place could be where land formed in the seas. Pangea. Three more eras or days for it to move away before mankind comes into the scene.
Either way, sorry again for creating a controversy and leaving. (It wasn't on purpose.)
"They are right"... hmmm pretty bold. By what authority do you make this claim? I will believe the word of God before any speculation of man.
If we apply oakum's razor to this issue... as a default. The simplest explanation and the one written in God's word will be considered the truth.
God said He did it in six days, He is capable of doing it in six days.... It was done is six days. Any erroneous data gathered and interpreted by man is second place.