thesaintman
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can you say me it
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They think Christians make no sense, when in reality, THEY make no sense.
I think what you're saying is this:People say something like all God needs to do is a miracle or write his name in the sky to prove his existence.
Even if the stars were rearranged to say something its easy to say it could have been aliens powerful enough to do it.
Someone sends a message and says give me evidence God exists.
So I say give me evidence you exist.
But I do exist I obviously sent you this message.
Yea, but it could be monkeys mindlessly pounding on a keyboard.
I think what you're saying is this:
If I believe, I need no evidence.
If I don't believe, no evidence is sufficient.
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I think most people who call themselves atheists do so because they don't know what to believe.can you say me it
I think most people who call themselves atheists do so because they don't know what to believe.
can you say me it
I know what you are trying to say here, but the big issue is Islam makes the exact same claim. Both can't be right, but both uses this claim. Actually Hindus state that everyone has a connection to everything and no one can deny that they aren't all cinnected. This also kind of morphs god into such an ambiguous notion that anything could be God. Any feeling, any evidence, etc. That is something most Atheists reject because it's an answer that doesn't serve to explain, but to explain away.That's not it Brother. Deep down inside, everyone does know that there is a God. Whether they will admit it or not, is another story. But scripture tells us why they will not believe. That, they don't want to give up their favorite (take your pick) of the world...
How could this be though? If everyone already believes and there is no way around it, how could they not believe?John 3:18-20
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That makes no sense. If there was no one that believed in a god then there would be no Atheists because the term would be meaningless. However, as long as there are people that claim there is a God and people that don't accept that God there will be atheists.If there really was no God, then there would not be any atheists.
That is something most Atheists reject because it's an answer that doesn't serve to explain,
How could this be though? If everyone already believes and there is no way around it, how could they not believe?
That makes no sense. If there was no one that believed in a god then there would be no Atheists because the term would be meaningless. However, as long as there are people that claim there is a God and people that don't accept that God there will be atheists.
Have you ever stepped back and considered that maybe the reason you get that answer is because that is the Ctual stance of Atheists. I mean this would be like trying to discredit Christianity by hand waving away that almost every Christian will say they believe in the resurection.There's that textbook answer again, from Atheism 101. I hear that so much,
And it seems you forget every time that we talk that I wanted to be a preacher and I was part of the local youth group and fell away gradually.but this is a choice and you know it. You've been hanging around this board long enough to know that, that's not how it works. First one makes the choice to trust God and commit your faith to him...and then, He will come and reveal Himself to you and you would have this proof that you demand. But you don't get it first...and it a choice to not even give Him a chance to prove Himself to you.
That doesn't make sense because what you are claiming is spied to be obvious and the people like me that reject that it's obvious have looked and it's not there. Something that I think makes more sense is that when the gospels were written all the cultures in the area were either poly or mono theistic. It was until lRome spread to mid Africa and into the Hindu Kush did Rome encounter civilizations built on paradigms outside of God's as they were familar with existed. It makes sense that a culture that was built around theistic principles would think that it was the default.(This one used to throw me, lol). Because, there's a difference between knowing something in the core of your being...and choosing to not act upon it. But rather turn away.
God existing or not doesn't effect if the word Atheist exists. The term exists because there are people that believe in a god or gods. As long as there are people that believe there will be those that don't. The actual existence of God is secondary.I sort've wouldn't expect you to be able to wrap your mind around that. If there was really no God, then atheism wouldn't be necessary for them.
No dude this what is called a straw man or gaslighting. Atheism is a negative position to a positive claim, such as a god exists. That's it. What you are saying after that sounds like a rationalization to why atheists exist rather than actually asking why an atheists exists. If you really want to know you have to come to a conversation in good faith. Otherwise you won't get anywhere.Atheism is defensive maneuver for those who love the world and do not want to give a certain portion of it up...and they know that Christianity requires one to give up everything.
I am trying to tell you my position but you just hand wave away and tell me what I am instead of letting me tell ya who you I am.However, I make no effort to say that you are one or the other, I don't know you. I'm speaking generally.
I think what you're saying is this:
If I believe, I need no evidence.
If I don't believe, no evidence is sufficient.
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