TRANSGENDERISM

[jaybo]

Pedophilia was alive and well in Rome. Slavery was very much alive and well. Shall we say it’s OK because he didn’t mention it? It’s not a false argument. That Jesus didn’t mention sins doesn’t follow that he didn’t care about it. Your argument is false.

Just because you say that my argument is "false" doesn't make it so. It's simply your opinion. As usual I don't agree with your logic.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Just because you say that my argument is "false" doesn't make it so. It's simply your opinion. As usual I don't agree with your logic.

It’s likely you don’t like logic. It isn’t mine. Jesus not mentioning all the sins done by men in his day doesn’t mean he didn’t care.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Last I saw, we were up to 216 genders. We've got a youth trip, a transgender student is uncomfortable sharing a hotel room with guys (his birth gender). But the girls are uncomfortable with them staying with girls.

How whacked.

The whole × number of genders is more a meme than fact. Generally there are pronouns for masculin, femine, and nuetral, and then neo pronouns that are invented and used by mostly kids.


So if we look at the Biblical aspect, God made Adam, then made Eve as a partner to Adam. So language adapted to this duelism as male and female. The Bible also gives roles to Adam and Eve, so the very basic gender roles is that Adam works and Eve produces and raises children.

Society has expanded and added more roles. So language adapts to these expansions. Trans gender people are people that have identities that are opposite to nuetral on societal expectations.

The trans topic has more of a sociological basis that surrounds the modern concepts of gender. The Bible does not really address gender on such a level, but more on what it meant at the time. A way to look at it, part of the definition of man is the one who works the field, most western societies farming is no longer as directly manual labour's intensive, so most people are no longer farmer.. would that mean that most male people are no longer men? No, it means that society has changed to what being a man means.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I had one this morning about transgendersim. I was reading an article which threw up some interesting ideas about the subject and it dawned on me what was going on.

Hello AP, do you by chance have a link to the article, so we can read it as well?

As you probably know that transgendersim is all about a girl becoming a boy and a boy becoming a girl.

That doesn't seem to be the definition used by trans gender indivuals who write on this subject and who identify as Transgender. I have had it explained to me that Transgender is an identity people use to express that they identify as a gender other than what they were assigned at birth. This could range as identifying opposite of your birth gender, or as nonbinary, which means that the person doesn't identify as either gender in a dominant way.

They are not happy being their birth sex so they want to become the opposite as they believe that will solve all their unhappiness.

This seems more like a simplification and a misunderstanding of the views of Trans people. Many that I know personally and have talked to on this subject transition socially or physically based more about specific issue they are facing, or wanting to express.

Judging by the number of people that are de-transgenderising it is very clear it solves nothing.

I think this has more to do with the individual transitioning and why. Not to mention that the percentage of peo0le who detransition is a minority in itself.

To this point I knew that those wanting to change sex had underlying problems that caused their unhappiness. One of the most common ones is autism. Even when they had changed from male to female or female to male the autism didn’t go away.

This seems more anecdotal because most of the Trans people I know orbhave met have not been on the autism spectrum. Those that I know who were didn't expect transitioning to cure or change their nuerodivergance.

Another one particularly amongst girls is that they thought boys were treated better than girls so if they became a boy, they would be treated better. But it did not happen because deep down they knew they were a girl so they could not play out the role of a being a boy.

Do you by chance have a source for this? None of the Trans Men I know or met transitioned because they thought it would be socially easier to be a man.

Another underlying reason is that the person concerned had ADHD and changing sex was seen as a way of getting rid of it. Except for one thing. It didn’t.

This is the same as the Autism one, This doesn't seem to match up with the magority of Trans people.

So, enough males and females have realised that changing their sex made no different to solving the problem they thought they had that would be solved by changing their sex.

Now, underlying this as is the case with all aberrations thrown up by society, is that it is basically a work of Satan to distort God’s image. He has been trying to do that from day one for the simple reason that every time he sees a male or as female he sees God and that revolts him.

Today, I realised that transgenderism is just another step further along the road from homosexuality which is another distortion of God’s image. It is another way that Satan can screw up what is and should be normal.

Now, what is the core of this issue? I believe it is in a question that they never ask. Did your parents both work full time?

In my country the government is working overtime to make it easy for mothers to go out to work full time. What does that mean? Simply this. The children are abandoned to full time carers that are foreigners to the children.

There is medical evidence that a baby recognises their mothers voice in the womb. When they are born their closest and most important relationship is with the mother.

Six months or a year later they are ripped away from that comforting contact and they are passed on to a stranger that the do not know or care for and have no close bond with.

End result. Who am I? Babies, children understand much more than what we think. One minute it is comfort, cosy and predictable and then all of sudden they are plunged into a strange world of foreigners, and they have to fight for attention with 20 others.

NOT GOOD. At the back of their mind is money is more important than me. I want my mummy, not a new teddy bear.

So we produce a generation of children who deep down feel abandoned, don’t know who they are and feel unimportant. In other words, totally confused.

Enter Transgendersim. If I don’t know who I am why not experiment with being the opposite sex. I have got nothing to lose as my parents don’t care about me. I have had nothing but misery since I have been born, so let’s try the alternative. They hear of or see others in the same boat, so they go down the same path, known as social cohesion.

Some transgenders have homosexual tendencies so they change sex so they can have a normal relationship with a person of the opposite sex.

All in all, what you might call one big unholy mess. The sad thing is that government, the medical and educational authorities have bought into the lie and are encouraging it. In a word, they are destroying young lives and are being paid to do it.

All teenagers go through angst in some form or another and in the past we rode through the storm with them, and they came out the other side relatively normal.

Today it is “Problems, get a sex change.” If you disagree you are transphobic. Even parents are not allowed to have a different view. This seems to be the standard reply for anyone who thinks differently about the aberrations being thrown up today as an answer to life’s problems. Disagree and you are being charged with hate speech.

Of course, we know who came up with that nonsensical idea.

So, what is the answer to all this. My advice is this. Think very, very carefully before you abandon your child to a stranger and deprive it of the relationship which the child should have and needs. That of its mother. After all. You gave birth to the child, not to pass it onto a stranger to raise. Rather to raise it, love it and to inculcate the values that are important to you.

Research shows that the main reason why children love grandparents so much is that they have always got time. If time is so important to children, it has to start with the parents.

I think your conclusion comes from a misunderstanding of Trans individuals and why they transition. I think you might be assuming too much on intent and less about getting information directly from Trans people.

 

[Free]

Just because you say that my argument is "false" doesn't make it so. It's simply your opinion. As usual I don't agree with your logic.

Your reasoning is the one in error here. Your argument from silence ignores other biblical context. The Bible clearly states that homosexual acts are sin, so Jesus had no need to mention it. In this case, just because Jesus didn't mention it doesn't mean he "was not that concerned about it"; he was very much concerned with sin, that was rather the whole point of his coming.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Hello AP, do you by chance have a link to the article, so we can read it as well?

That doesn't seem to be the definition used by trans gender indivuals who write on this subject and who identify as Transgender. I have had it explained to me that Transgender is an identity people use to express that they identify as a gender other than what they were assigned at birth. This could range as identifying opposite of your birth gender, or as nonbinary, which means that the person doesn't identify as either gender in a dominant way.



This seems more like a simplification and a misunderstanding of the views of Trans people. Many that I know personally and have talked to on this subject transition socially or physically based more about specific issue they are facing, or wanting to express.

I think this has more to do with the individual transitioning and why. Not to mention that the percentage of peo0le who detransition is a minority in itself.

This seems more anecdotal because most of the Trans people I know orbhave met have not been on the autism spectrum. Those that I know who were didn't expect transitioning to cure or change their nuerodivergance.

Do you by chance have a source for this? None of the Trans Men I know or met transitioned because they thought it would be socially easier to be a man.

This is the same as the Autism one, This doesn't seem to match up with the magority of Trans people.


I think your conclusion comes from a misunderstanding of Trans individuals and why they transition. I think you might be assuming too much on intent and less about getting information directly from Trans people.

I think this anecdotal input from the trans people needs to be seen decades down the line as to the satisfaction they express. My understanding from some in that community is that they deeply regret their choice years later. Not the least of which is never being to have children. Pronouns don’t seem to comfort under those regrets. That too is anecdotal but nevertheless real for those who made a choice they can never undo.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I think this anecdotal input from the trans people needs to be seen decades down the line as to the satisfaction they express.

There are trans people who transition as far back as the 60s and 70s. There are varied accounts, but there has also been more sociological and psychological awareness of Trans people as well. So the cultural impacts will change as more information comes to light.


My understanding from some in that community is that they deeply regret their choice years later. Not the least of which is never being to have children. Pronouns don’t seem to comfort under those regrets. That too is anecdotal but nevertheless real for those who made a choice they can never undo.
[/QUOTE] That does happen, which is why it's great there are more resources for people with questions now. Support and medical access for both therapy and that there is also a huge section that encourage people that if they don't want surgeries, they are still valid.

 

[Milk-Drops]

There are trans people who transition as far back as the 60s and 70s. There are varied accounts, but there has also been more sociological and psychological awareness of Trans people as well. So the cultural impacts will change as more information comes to light.

My understanding from some in that community is that they deeply regret their choice years later. Not the least of which is never being to have children. Pronouns don’t seem to comfort under those regrets. That too is anecdotal but nevertheless real for those who made a choice they can never undo.

That does happen, which is why it's great there are more resources for people with questions now. Support and medical access for both therapy and that there is also a huge section that encourage people that if they don't want surgeries, they are still valid.

I quoted the original post to correct a formating error.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I quoted the original post to correct a formating error.

I’ve forgotten who it is but a sociologist did a great deal
of research into cultures that began to embrace sexual practices outside of the gender roles one is born with and her research showed that in each case, the culture didn’t adjust, it was destroyed. It was the beginning of the end.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I’ve forgotten who it is but a sociologist did a great deal
of research into cultures that began to embrace sexual practices outside of the gender roles one is born with and her research showed that in each case, the culture didn’t adjust, it was destroyed. It was the beginning of the end.

I'd like to read it if you can find it. We do have to remember that Trans is not a sexual orientation, it's about Gender identity. Thank you for your response.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I'd like to read it if you can find it. We do have to remember that Trans is not a sexual orientation, it's about Gender identity. Thank you for your response.

And with which gender identity will they engage with when it comes to sexual interaction? This is not divorced from identity but a vital part of one’s identity. Your fooling yourself if you think sexual interaction plays no role.

 

[jaybo]

And with which gender identity will they engage with when it comes to sexual interaction? This is not divorced from identity but a vital part of one’s identity. Your fooling yourself if you think sexual interaction plays no role.

"Your[?] fooling yourself..?

 

[D-D-W]

The six genders you are talking about are physical genders, not mental conditions (check Wikipedia)

Which is what I said.

 

[D-D-W]

And with which gender identity will they engage with when it comes to sexual interaction? This is not divorced from identity but a vital part of one’s identity. Your fooling yourself if you think sexual interaction plays no role.

Agreed. From the beginning, "God made them male and female." Sexual identity is part of the very core of who He made us to be.

 

[Milk-Drops]

And with which gender identity will they engage with when it comes to sexual interaction? This is not divorced from identity but a vital part of one’s identity. Your fooling yourself if you think sexual interaction plays no role.

I said gender and the act of sex is different. It also depends on the person. The sexuality spectrum of Gay, straight. Bi, ace etc depends on the individual.

 

[jaybo]

Agreed. From the beginning, "God made them male and female." Sexual identity is part of the very core of who He made us to be.

IMHO that phrase refers to their physical gender only. That is altogether different from sexual identity whic, to my knowledge, isn't mentioned in the Bible. If it is, please show us where.

 

[jaybo]

BTW, in the Bible -- both testaments -- it refers to men loving each other.

1 Samuel 20:17, "Jonathan once again took an oath with David, because he loved him. In fact Jonathan loved him as much as he did his own life."

John 13:25, "Then the disciple whom Jesus loved leaned back against Jesus’ chest and asked him, “Lord, who is it?”

Now before anyone "flies off the handle" I am not saying that they were homosexuals, but that they loved each other deeply. Some on this forum would probably judge them harshly.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Agreed. From the beginning, "God made them male and female." Sexual identity is part of the very core of who He made us to be.

That's why Trans people refers to gender and not sex. Sex would be chromosomes and gender would be secondary characteristics and social expression.

 

[Edward]

BTW, in the Bible -- both testaments -- it refers to men loving each other.

1 Samuel 20:17, "Jonathan once again took an oath with David, because he loved him. In fact Jonathan loved him as much as he did his own life."

John 13:25, "Then the disciple whom Jesus loved leaned back against Jesus’ chest and asked him, “Lord, who is it?”

Now before anyone "flies off the handle" I am not saying that they were homosexuals, but that they loved each other deeply. Some on this forum would probably judge them harshly.

But sodomy has nothing to do with love. Sodomy is a physical act of the flesh whereas love is spiritual condition of the heart.

 

[jaybo]

But sodomy has nothing to do with love. Sodomy is a physical act of the flesh whereas love is spiritual condition of the heart.

This thread is about transgenderism. It has nothing to do with sodomy.

Transgender people have a gender identity or gender expression that differs from the sex that they were assigned at birth.

Sodomy or buggery is generally anal or oral sex between people.

Do you really not know the difference?????