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Whats more selfish, someone saying they don't want to go to church because they could get really sick so everyone should not be allowed to go to church because it's unfair, or, someone saying they don't want to go to church because they could get really sick so they are happy to stay home and watch it on Livestream and everyone else can go out and get on with there daily lives?.
 
Free said:
It seems you may not have fully understood what I have been saying. Churches are selfish when they conduct services in such a way that necessarily excludes such vulnerable people—by not limiting the number of congregants, by not wearing masks or distancing. I am against people, businesses, churches, etc., making their own decisions to mask or not mask, to distance or not distance. But a person making the decision to not go due to their own health concerns, even if health measures are in place, is being prudent.
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And I am not against people making the decisions for themselves. Government agencies make plenty of decisions for others that are far from the right decisions. Our government has a history of putting its nose into the business of other countries. Case in point would be Iraq. Who are we to decide what is best for them?

Here's something to think about. Passing judgment on others based on your idea of what's right is in itself selfish too. Basically, your imposing your will or desires upon others. It's a good example of what Jesus talked about when He said that we should not judge lest we be judged with the same measure. And yes, by calling this out, I too am judging but of course, you've already judged me with that measure.
 
No one is being excluded, well I was because I didn't do what someone else wanted me to do. I locked down to not be selfish and protect the most vulnerable as I was told, suddenly next thing the most vulnerable are out enjoying a meal at a restaurant and a coffee at the cafe and I'm banned. I thought everyone was banned equally.
 
I know someone highly vulnerable and he once said he was going out for a meal because he had a health pass, I told him I would join him but I'm banned so i will stay home to keep him safe why he goes out and has a good time otherwise it would be selfish of me.
 
WIP said:
And I am not against people making the decisions for themselves. Government agencies make plenty of decisions for others that are far from the right decisions. Our government has a history of putting its nose into the business of other countries. Case in point would be Iraq. Who are we to decide what is best for them?

Here's something to think about. Passing judgment on others based on your idea of what's right is in itself selfish too. Basically, your imposing your will or desires upon others. It's a good example of what Jesus talked about when He said that we should not judge lest we be judged with the same measure. And yes, by calling this out, I too am judging but of course, you've already judged me with that measure.
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Our govt has double standards .

Case in point president Obama's bday bash ,videos of him and other party goers on violation of health edicts ,no fines.

Yet mass would crack down in any non political connected person who did that .

Covid just magically doesn't kill or be spread by the connected .like it or not as I was told .what ever standard you allow is the standard set .
 
I'm just not a fan of double standards. I remember one rule I seen on official site where one race was allowed to gather seafood and everyone else was banned. A double standard is crooked but a racial double standard is double crooked. A complaint later and it suddenly changed. I will give the benifits of the doubt maybe it was a error but was good to see a racial double standard removed from the rules.
 
I was amazed to see the vaxed PM got 19 and said she got it from her partner who got 19.

Make sense how I was banned from going out and was classed as a risk why all the jabbed were allowed out to have a good time.
 
I have been told to get the jab to protect myself and others before, yet if the jabbed can still get and pass on 19 to the jabbed it obviously doesn't stop people from getting or passing it on. Maybe it can help prevent people getting more sick or something?, I don't know the science behind it but basically the high percentage of people who do get it have mild symptoms and recover.

Basically I have a question. What science is used and how do they study it and measure it to know it can reduce the risk of getting more sick than someone normally would if they didn't have it?.
 
I'm all for science and medicine if it can help people that's great. I just like to know how things work. I mean from nothing to suddenly within like a year having a coronavirus vax that can do all these things and has been tested it just seems so quick to know and have all the scienctific research behind it.
 
Before I ever jump in and do something especially medical I like to know everything about it first, how it works, the research behind it, and risks or side effects attached. That's just taking responsibility. I mean people told me to get the jab , at least tell all me about, that's right they not qualified doctors.
 
When I was a child at school I freaked out getting the jab rollouts. It traumatised me and I would cry I didn't want or consent to have anything put in my body, but they always tried offer me a lollypop and everyone got a lolly pop after. Thinking about it that seems a bit wrong, you dont offer children candy because you want them to do something.
 
I'm sure there is some qualified doctors and nurses who could help others, but they don't make the rules that forces them to make a choice and not just allow them to do what they qualified in and do best at no matter what.
 
And of course selfishness will always be blammed on people because they don't want to submit to someone else's will. Complete manipulation and pschological abuse. If you don't do what someone else wants you to do then it's your fault your not allowed to help people who are sick and suffering.
 
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