Is the Soul Real? A Neurosurgeon Makes the Case [Sean McDowell Show]

I've never suggested that He ceased to be God at any point. His body was crucified on the cross and later buried in the tomb, meanwhile his spirit was returned to God. He promised the thief beside him that they will be in paradise, not abotu two and half days later, but TODAY, on Passover. Therefore his body was in Sheol, his SPIRIT was in Paradise. If there's a "prison for spirits", it can't be in Sheol. Scripture doesn't contradict itself.

“Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” (Lk. 23:42-43)

Nonetheless his body WAS there for the burial, and "soul" was not mentioned at all.

This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. (Lk. 23:52-53)

This is all pagan nonsense. "Soul" is a LIVING being, and Jesus has become a life-giving spirit. You're seeking the living among the dead.

Why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen! (Lk. 24:5-6)
God the Son subsists in two complete natures, God and man. As God Jesus' Spirit never ceased to be where everything consists, given coherence by the Word of God and His infinite power (Col. 1:17; John 1:1-3). As man, Jesus' human spirit was quickened by the Holy Spirit, and in that sphere of the Holy Spirit went and preached to the "spirits in prison" (1 Pet. 3:18-22).

So how was the Son incarnate in the flesh of Jesus? "

"The sphere of infinite radius that is the Person of God the Eternal Son became centered in the humanity of Jesus Christ"-John Walvoord paraphrased.

You reject this interpretation of these texts, so we go endlessly in circles about them. Let the reader decide for themselves who they believe.

I agree "soul" stands for the person throughout scripture, we disagree soul and body can be distinguished as Jesus taught in Matthew 10:28. "Fear not him who can kill the body but not the soul" proves they can have separate fates. So far, only you in this thread disagree with that.
 
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God the Son subsists in two complete natures, God and man. As God Jesus' Spirit never ceased to be where everything consists, given coherence by the Word of God and His infinite power (Col. 1:17; John 1:1-3). As man, Jesus' human spirit was quickened by the Holy Spirit, and in that sphere of the Holy Spirit went and preached to the "spirits in prison" (1 Pet. 3:18-22).
This shows your unbiblical gnostic view despite your denial. On the cross Jesus didn't yield his "godly spirit" while a separate "human spirit" buried with him in the tomb; He yielded the one and only spirit he was born of (Matt. 1:20) to God (Lk. 23:46). Just because Jesus has a human nature doesn't mean he has a human spirit. Nowhere in 1 Pet. 3:18-22 states or implies that Jesus had a separate soul, human spirit, ghost or "shade", you totally made it up, because in your philosophy you believe in the eternality of the soul, not the resurrection of the body. 1 Pet. 3:18 actually says He was made ALIVE by the spirit, yet you're still searching for the living among the dead.
 
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I agree "soul" stands for the person throughout scripture, we disagree soul and body can be distinguished as Jesus taught in Matthew 10:28. "Fear not him who can kill the body but not the soul" proves they can have separate fates. So far, only you in this thread disagree with that
Those separate fates are revealed in Rev. 20:14 and Dan. 12:2, that's the only valid interpretation of Matt. 10:28. It ain't a separation of body and soul, but a separation of believers and UNbelievers. Don't blame me when you and Free have deliberately chosen to ignore these scriptural references.
 
Those separate fates are revealed in Rev. 20:14 and Dan. 12:2, that's the only valid interpretation of Matt. 10:28. It ain't a separation of body and soul, but a separation of believers and UNbelievers. Don't blame me when you and Free have deliberately chosen to ignore these scriptural references.
Are you seriously saying that Matt. 10:28 is speaking of “a separation of believers and UNbeleivers”? If so, how, exactly, does it do so? If not, then what do you mean?
 
This shows your unbiblical gnostic view despite your denial. On the cross Jesus didn't yield his "godly spirit" while a separate "human spirit" buried with him in the tomb; He yielded the one and only spirit he was born of (Matt. 1:20) to God (Lk. 23:46). Just because Jesus has a human nature doesn't mean he has a human spirit. Nowhere in 1 Pet. 3:18-22 states or implies that Jesus had a separate soul, human spirit, ghost or "shade", you totally made it up, because in your philosophy you believe in the eternality of the soul, not the resurrection of the body. 1 Pet. 3:18 actually says He was made ALIVE by the spirit, yet you're still searching for the living among the dead.
That is incorrect. Christ subsists in two complete natures, human and divine. God gave His Eternal Son, His only begotten, who was born fully human, with human body soul and spirit. The natures are not confused, God the Son is Spirit separate and distinct from His human nature, body soul spirit.

Definition of Chalcedon
Therefore, following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man, consisting also of a reasonable soul and body; of one substance with the Father as regards His Godhead, and at the same time of one substance with us as regards His manhood; like us in all respects, apart from sin, as regards His Godhead, begotten of the Father before the ages, but yet as regards His manhood, begotten, for us men and for our salvation, of Mary the Virgin, the God-bearer; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only Begotten, recognized in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation; the distinction of natures being in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature being preserved and coming together to form one person and subsistence, not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and Only-Begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ; even as the prophets from earliest times spoke of Him, and Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself taught us, and the creed of the Fathers has handed down to us.-

Kurian, G. T. (2001). In Nelson’s new Christian dictionary: the authoritative resource on the Christian world. Thomas Nelson Publishers.

Therefore, when Christ said to the thief on the cross "Today, you will be with me in paradise," that is precisely what happened. The human spirit of the thief was "gathered to his people" to Father Abraham and all the saints, who await the resurrection of their bodies, in the "presence of the Lord".

The human soul of Christ went to Sheol, quickened by the Holy Spirit, and in that state preached to the spirits in prison, the hybrid angel human spirits who refused to believe Noah's preaching, that God would forgive their hybrid nature, the corruption of the image of God with the image of angels. These were the men of renown who built the megalithic structures we see today throughout the earth (Genesis 6:2, 4):

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
(1 Pet. 3:18-22 KJV)

Christ led these captives into third heaven, paradise to join the thief on the cross and all the saints, when He ascended from hell, taking them "in His train". Taking captivity captive.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) (Eph. 4:8-10 KJV)

The Eternal Son of God, God the Son never ceased to be God in heaven, in Whom all Creation consists (Colossians 1:17), even as His incarnate human nature was here on earth:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (Jn. 3:13 KJV)

Only the Son of man came down from heaven to reveal God to man, only Jesus God the Son who was still in heaven even as He spoke these words as the Man Jesus on earth.
 
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Are you seriously saying that Matt. 10:28 is speaking of “a separation of believers and UNbeleivers? If so, how, exactly, does it do so? If not, then what do you mean?

I mistakenly thought I was responding to "Carry_Your_Name", read the rest of this reply with that in mind:

Never said that, although the premise is possible in the context, could be inferred. Implicit in Jesus' statement, there is a difference between being judged by man (who can only kill the body), and God who can destroy both soul and body in Hell-fire. Believing or not believing could be the criteria dividing the two groups.

What I said was:

Christ clearly taught body and soul are separate entities, while man can kill the body man cannot kill the soul.

Therefore, your theory body and soul live or die together, is wrong.

In other words, Christ is right, you are wrong.
 
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Never said that, although the premise is possible in the context, could be inferred. Implicit in Jesus' statement, there is a difference between being judged by man (who can only kill the body), and God who can destroy both soul and body in Hell-fire.

What I said was:

Christ clearly taught two separate fates are possible, while man can kill the body they cannot kill the soul.

Therefore, your theory body and soul live or die together, is wrong.
I wasn’t quoting you.
 
I wasn’t quoting you.
I apologize, just woke up, and thought I was responding to "Carry_Your_Name.

Your reply to him on this subject, was excellent. Cogent. I remain shocked it didn't convince him.
 
I apologize, just woke up, and thought I was responding to "Carry_Your_Name.
No worries.

Your reply to him on this subject, was excellent. Cogent. I remain shocked it didn't convince him.
Thanks. It’s basic, sound reasoning based on what is clearly stated. I don’t understand how anyone could deny that.

I think it just goes to show that some people want to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence and sound reasoning. Of course, we can all be guilty of this at times.
 
That is incorrect. Christ subsists in two complete natures, human and divine. God gave His Eternal Son, His only begotten, who was born fully human, with human body soul and spirit. The natures are not confused, God the Son is Spirit separate and distinct from His human nature, body soul spirit.
God the Son came in the FLESH, His dual nature are of his human body and godly spirit, there is no "human spirit", what's distinct from his human nature is his godly nature, which came from the Holy Spirit.
 
Are you seriously saying that Matt. 10:28 is speaking of “a separation of believers and UNbeleivers”? If so, how, exactly, does it do so? If not, then what do you mean?
Are you seriously saying that Matt. 10:28 is speaking of a separation of body and soul? If so, explain to me why it doesn't say "but rather fear Him who is able to destroy the soul as well in hell." If the soul is distinct from the body, it's only logically that the soul should be destroyed separately in hell - after the death of the body, right? But no, the verse actually says, "but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Why, then, are body and soul lumped together here? Why does the body have to the killed again? Wasn't the body already killed? You audaciously claimed you had your reason and logic "inspired by God", yet you have totally ignored the second part of the verse, and you opted to ad homenem against me when I pointed out that it was a reference of Dan. 12:2.
 
Therefore, when Christ said to the thief on the cross "Today, you will be with me in paradise," that is precisely what happened. The human spirit of the thief was "gathered to his people" to Father Abraham and all the saints, who await the resurrection of their bodies, in the "presence of the Lord".

The human soul of Christ went to Sheol, quickened by the Holy Spirit, and in that state preached to the spirits in prison, the hybrid angel human spirits who refused to believe Noah's preaching, that God would forgive their hybrid nature, the corruption of the image of God with the image of angels. These were the men of renown who built the megalithic structures we see today throughout the earth (Genesis 6:2, 4):
You're still searching for the living among the dead. 1 Pt. 3:18 strikes a contrast - "He might bring us to us, being put to death in the flesh, but made ALIVE by the spirit." (NKJV)
 
Are you seriously saying that Matt. 10:28 is speaking of a separation of body and soul? If so, explain to me why it doesn't say "but rather fear Him who is able to destroy the soul as well in hell." If the soul is distinct from the body, it's only logically that the soul should be destroyed separately in hell - after the death of the body, right? But no, the verse actually says, "but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Why, then, are body and soul lumped together here? Why does the body have to the killed again? Wasn't the body already killed? You audaciously claimed you had your reason and logic "inspired by God", yet you have totally ignored the second part of the verse, and you opted to ad homenem against me when I pointed out that it was a reference of Dan. 12:2.
I asked you some questions. Please answer them.
 
I’m giving you two more chances to answer. Please answer my questions.
Please answer mine first - why is a supposedly "distinct" soul not destroyed separately after the body, and why the body is destroyed again in hell, since it was ALREADY killed by man.
 
Thanks. It’s basic, sound reasoning based on what is clearly stated. I don’t understand how anyone could deny that.

I think it just goes to show that some people want to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence and sound reasoning. Of course, we can all be guilty of this at times.
Pfft, says you who persistently and habitually dismiss SCRIPTURAL evidence, and your reasoning is deaf like a nail, as long as you fail to explain why the supposedly "distinct" soul isn't destroyed separately after the body.
 
Please answer mine first - why is a supposedly "distinct" soul not destroyed separately after the body, and why the body is destroyed again in hell, since it was ALREADY killed by man.
Last chance. Please answer my questions.
 
“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

So Moses, the prophets and the NT. If they can't believe in that truth I don't think any doctor will convince one otherwise.

Those that belong to God believe in His truth.
 
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