Hope of glory
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If the "end of the age" did not come, then the Kingdom of God has not come!
OK, every crazy doctrine has a root. It's no different with pre, post trib.......... Election doctrine folks don't want to take any spiritual responsibility for anything. God is Sovereign, and what ever happens, just happens. Not wanting to take the blame for anything is the root, otherwise you have to believe something, and God forbid we should have to trust God and use our faith to change an outcome. Like that was never mentioned in the bible one time.
So, all this Preetree stuff is connected to the fact that without 70ad, then the Kingdom of God is not possible. So, it's just more involved than wanting to believe someone got their temple knocked over.
We know Kingdom is not an actual Kingdom as we use it in the English Language though. It's a Female Noun, so it can't define a place, any more than a door defines a room.
How can you being a "kingdom now believer" still be waiting on a "future kingdom" and the end of a fulfilled and abolished age?
I can see the actual issue. One thing that impresses me though about you Hope in Glory is that you can read!!!! You would be amazed............... Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God are spelled different, and so your ability to read has that going for you. You see the difference.
I see the issue, if Jesus sets up His Kingdom on Earth later, then there is no Kingdom now. In fact, the Kingdom of God just being here and available to us is tied to healing, casting out devils and preaching the gospel of the Kingdom brings faith to people to receive just awesome things from God. A whole lot better sermon than God is just so mysterious in all his ways and you just never know what God is going to do, you just never know.
I guess I have to ask myself, How could I convince you not to take this preetree stuff so out of the water, and still provide a Kingdom of God here now to operate in? How do I do that? We have an (Possible) Operation of now, and Jesus being physically on the earth in charge later. How do I work this out with you?
Mike.
Brother Mike
You said: "I guess I have to ask myself, How could I convince you not to take this preetree stuff so out of the water, and still provide a Kingdom of God here now to operate in? How do I do that? We have an (Possible) Operation of now, and Jesus being physically on the earth in charge later. How do I work this out with you?"
Let's talk then my friend.
First: what do you mean by "preetree stuff"
What exactly am I saying is so "out of the water"? And what does "out of the water" mean?
Please answer these questions so we can address the things we are not "connecting on"
Just so you know, I strongly believe in the operation of the kingdom her and now, this is a foundation of apostolic doctrine and at the very heart of why Jesus endured the cross!
I also believe in the future return of the Lord on the earth in his resurrected body, reigning over all and in all!
....let's work this out!!
Blessings
Hope of glory