jeff77
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Proverbs 25:24 Does this have anything to do with it?Who said "how many people have you seen living on roofs"
tob
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Proverbs 25:24 Does this have anything to do with it?Who said "how many people have you seen living on roofs"
tob
Yep, I think maybe someone is catching on..... Yes, it was common for that AD60's audience Revelation was written for to spend much of their time on their roofs.It is common for those in Jerusalem to have a place on the roof.
Well........ Of course I do expect some people to miss the point.
Oh yeah.... I can see a Jewish man sitting on his roof, being on the watch for incoming missiles that will take out a half a block in about three to five seconds from the moment of any spotting of them. Good job trying to grab your pregnant wife, and run to the mountains........ or any of the other stuff we keep trying to claim was written to us, and not them, back then.
Since we are speaking of a nation of people who are way too familiar with very modern and technical warfare and horribly destructive missiles coming in to wreak havoc at all hours, and planted bombs going off in crowed city districts on a regular basis, killing their friends and families........ I doubt very much that they have some sort of "different mindset" about these things. No, it's highly unlikely that they would "keep watch" from their rooftops for an invading army to march on their city to encircle it.Their mindset is different that ours.
What would a Jew today think about Jesus' words?
JLB
The point is that Jesus plainly spoke all those things in Matthew 24 to warn the future Christians to quickly run for the gates of the city that would soon be closed, cutting off any escape, when the Roman Army encircled Jerusalem and laid siege to it. And it worked. Historians tell us that all the Christians got out, fleeing for the mountains, while the Jews hunkered down inside the city walls to defend their city. And just as it happened before, way back in 500 something BC, they got slaughtered for it. (Back then, the Jews, themselves, had been told by God's prophets to surrender the city, and NOT try to defend it) History repeated itself in 70 AD, because they still refused to listen.Yes some people do miss the point Willie it all depends on what the point is..
tob
The point is that Jesus plainly spoke all those things in Matthew 24 to warn the future Christians to quickly run for the gates of the city that would soon be closed, cutting off any escape, when the Roman Army encircled Jerusalem and laid siege to it. And it worked. Historians tell us that all the Christians got out, fleeing for the mountains, while the Jews hunkered down inside the city walls to defend their city. And just as it happened before, way back in 500 something BC, they got slaughtered for it. (Back then, the Jews, themselves, had been told by God's prophets to surrender the city, and NOT try to defend it) History repeated itself in 70 AD, because they still refused to listen.
Maybe not in your Oliver Discourse, but He certainly did in the Olivet Discourse. But, theological-sounding names for the Sermon on The Mt, aside, what do you think He was talking about?Jesus spoke no words in the Oliver Discourse about the events of 70 AD.
None!
JLB
It IS interesting that so many of us insist on believing that words of warning, and explicit instructions on what they were to do, actually SPOKEN directly to a group of people living more than 2,000 years ago were not intended for them, at all, but were meant for some Americans (and maybe a few others) that wouldn't even be alive until 21 centuries into the future.
It would be like us being told, by a talking head on TV, about an event that was going to happen in the year 4,020. That would sure seem important to me, how about you?
I have to assume you are just having some odd sort of fun..... The very first verse in Matthew 24 has Jesus stating that not one stone in that temple they are looking at will be left on top of another. Now where was this temple they were looking at? And what year was it?Still waiting for you to give us a verse from the Olivet Discourse whereby Jesus mentions the destruction of the temple and the city?
Here is my verse that shows us Jesus words were for us and them -
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh , at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping . 37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch . Mark 13;35-37
Jesus also mentions that the generation that sees the signs that He Himself described, will see the Son of Man Coming on the clouds with power and great glory!
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Matthew 24:33-34
JLB
I have to assume you are just having some odd sort of fun..... The very first verse in Matthew 24 has Jesus stating that not one stone in that temple they are looking at will be left on top of another. Now where was this temple they were looking at? And what year was it?
That, alone (if you never even looked at all the rest of the verses) should let you know that He was talking about that specific building.