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    Apocrypha Books

    Wisdom was expounding on Isaiah? And what was Isaiah expounding on when we read about the Suffering Servant? If you discard one, you will need to discard the other, as Christians do not see an "either/or" when reading about the Suffering Servant - Jesus/Israel Why does it matter whether...
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    Apocrypha Books

    You are absolutely correct. Apocrypha is falsely attributed to the book of Wisdom. However, I believe if one actually reads it, one would find there are some very eerie connections in it to what Christians would later believe (an incredible description of the suffering servant and the...
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    Apocrypha Books

    Because the Church said they were Sacred Scriptures, inspired by God, useful for teaching, preaching and living the life of a Christian. They accurately expressed the oral teachings and traditions once given and are said to have come "from" the Apostles, although to the ancient, that didn't...
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    Apocrypha Books

    People need to consider that there was also a series of Deuterocanonical books in the NEW Testament, as well. SOME people also disagreed with their inclusion into the Canon. A number of early Catholics didn't think much of Revelation. Who REALLY wrote 2 Peter? James? We know a famous person...
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    Books of the Bible

    You must be joking... How do I know you are writing those posts? Please, get real. You call that an answer? We aren't talking about knowing something with a reasonable doubt, which is the bar historians set when making such decisions on who wrote what and whether something is a gloss, etc...
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    Books of the Bible

    Ha, I think you are comparing apples to orange, if I may borrow your analogy. We both know there is a vast difference between mathematics and history and what can be regarded as UNMISTAKEABLY true. This is another ploy. In math, we can prove theorems infallibly. We can duplicate and...
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    Books of the Bible

    You continue to fail to realize that humans cannot write infallibly and recognized as such. Your analogy really makes no sense. YOU can know you wrote it, but what good is that to the mods or me - or to another person analyzing the bible from 2000 years ago??? Paul knew what he wrote, but...
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    Thanks - but I'll probably not be too active.

    Thanks - but I'll probably not be too active.
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    Books of the Bible

    You can't, so end of story...
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    Books of the Bible

    I am quite aware of the variety of transmissions of the written manuscripts, I knew about them long before I came to this show. Is this what you have sunken to, Mondar? Pitiful accusations. I myself have mentioned the variety of transcripts in several posts previously - for the point to PROVE...
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    Books of the Bible

    ["turnorburn, post: 890471, member: 189"]Back in post #12 Barbarian said: This concerning the books of the bible so this council of Trent was made up by men whom supposedly had directions from God in order prescribe the official books of the bible.. i was curios to know if they were doing this...
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    Books of the Bible

    Muslims say Mohammed had it right...doesn't prove he wrote what we call Romans or it is from God. I suppose you could google an answer to the question, I fail to see the relation to the topic.
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    Books of the Bible

    So did Joseph Smith and Mohemmed, according to them. What question did you ask me?
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    Books of the Bible

    I am not ignoring this post, but quite frankly, it is filled with the same lack of appreciation for what "infallibility" means, so there is no point in continuing a detailed response. Your next to last sentence states the problem clearly: You cannot have a fallible view of a book and call it...
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    Books of the Bible

    WIP, To your question - it would appear that the idea of the contents of the canon was a long process based upon utilization of particular books to explain the teachings of the Apostles. Thus, when we look at the Church Fathers of the first few centuries, we see that they use particular...
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