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2ndRateMind

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This thread is your chance to say what you think about the current debate around climate change and global warming, as COP26 gets ever closer.

For my part, I will admit that my position is that we are stewards of, not owners of, the world. I think that stewardship is on behalf of God, and our children, and theirs. And we need to exercise that stewardship wisely, such that our legacy is a better world than we inherited.

Best wishes to you all, 2RM.
 
The climate is changing. Basic chemistry is pretty clear that if you dump a highly reactive chemical anywhere it will react. CO2 from large scale production, cattle farming, and transportation is dumping a ton of that in our atmosphere.

That's about it. People with more environmental chemistry knowledge could explain it better.
 
I believe that our climate is in fact changing. I believe that our existence has played a role in infecting that change but I do not believe humans are the sole cause of that change. I believe every creature or plant that lives and dies affects the climate. I believe the geology of our planet such as volcanos and earth quakes are also major contributors. I believe wildfires, whether naturally occurring or manmade either intentionally or accidentally are also major contributors. We liver therefore we affect our atmosphere and climate.

The real question is are we good stewards? Do we consider the consequences of what we do and how we do it or do we put our own personal comfort and convenience first?

Close the door of a garage and start the car and you will eventually asphyxiate yourself with carbon-monoxide poisoning. Our world is finite and everyone and everything in it and on it contributes to the imbalance. The more unbalanced it becomes the more things change. Perhaps this is what God meant He said, "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." Matthew 24:6-8 NKJV
 
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The other challenge is in determining what it means to be good stewards? Personally, I think money drives too much of that decision. This is just one example and not my attempt to give an opinion one way or another but considering the push for EV's.

I personally do not think due diligence has been applied to consider all the ramifications and/or consequences of large scale conversion from fossil fuel combustion to EV technology. We only hear the positive bits and pieces meant to sell us on the idea because someone is potentially going to get super rich in the process but we don't hear about other negative aspects such as what is the cost (not necessarily in dollars) to make the switch, how will the electrical energy be provided and what are the negative side effects of that?

I'll give you one example. I live in central MN. This is primarily a farm community so farming is important. In the past few years, our electrical company has been building large solar collector fields. The problem as I see it is they are consuming 1000's of acres of farm land to do it. If they didn't, they would be consuming forested land. In the former, will our next crisis be a lack of suitable land for growing food? In the latter, will our next crisis be the deforestation of our area? And finally, in either case the consumption of greenhouse gases, primarily CO2, is reduced because the land is occupied by solar panels.

Edit: please understand that I am not anti-EV. What I am concerned about is the mandates that are being pushed to force the issue before all of the data has been fully analyzed and it has been determined that the conversion would be better for the environment in the long haul. If the technology is available and people wish to go that route, more power to them. It's just another alternative like choosing diesel over gasoline or peddling a bicycle over walking and so forth.
 
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I think we should all strive to do our best in regards to climate change . Here is an example for us all . Al Gore.jpeg
 
It's always someone else's problem or fault, right? Al Gore might be an easy target for hypocrisy but is it appropriate for us to judge? I like how we immediately point our fingers to the wealthy or business owners to resolve this climate issue. Shouldn't we be more interested in looking to ourselves? Jesus never said that we are to decide for others what they should do or invoke government authority to do it. He told us what each of us is to do as individuals. When we point fingers we are putting our own envy and greed on display.
  • Do we only use AC when it is really necessary or do we use it more than necessary in order to satisfy our own comfort? And, when we do use it do we set the thermometer at an unnecessarily low setting or just enough to take the edge off?
  • Do we open windows and window coverings at night to take advantage of cooler air and close them during the day to conserve the cool? This does work. I do it all the time.
  • Do we heat our homes to be comfortable when naked or do we turn the thermostat down a couple degrees and wear warmer clothing, slippers, etc?
  • Do we close window coverings at night and open them during sunny days in the winter to take advantage of the sun's heat?
  • Do we wait to combine trips to town in our vehicles or do we insist on immediate gratification?
  • Do we walk or ride a bicycle instead of using our automobile when it is practical? Ten miles per hour is not a difficult speed to maintain on a bicycle so a 2 or 3 mile ride takes less than 15 minutes and it's much healthier.
  • Do we use public transportation or carpool when it's available or do we insist on driving ourselves in our own vehicle?
  • Do close off and avoid heating/cooling unused rooms?
  • Is our home larger than we really need? Here in the US, over the past 50 years, the average family size has decreased from 4 down to about 2.5 while the average size home has increased by nearly double. What does that say about our desire to feed our own comfort and greed?
  • There are many more things we can do to reduce our impact on the environment.
Each of these things by themselves may not seem like much but with roughly 130,000,000 households just here in the US, they can add up to a lot. If each household reduced emissions by just 10%, we would save about 3/4 ton of CO2 emissions per year per household or collectively 97,500,000 tons in US.
 
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WIP said:
It's always someone else's problem or fault, right? Al Gore might be an easy target for hypocrisy but is it appropriate for us to judge? I like how we immediately point our fingers to the wealthy or business owners to resolve this climate issue. Shouldn't we be more interested in looking to ourselves? Jesus never said that we are to decide for others what they should do or invoke government authority to do it. He told us what each of us is to do as individuals. When we point fingers we are putting our own envy and greed on display.
  • Do we only use AC when it is really necessary or do we use it more than necessary in order to satisfy our own comfort? And, when we do use it do we set the thermometer at an unnecessarily low setting or just enough to take the edge off?
  • Do we open windows and window coverings at night to take advantage of cooler air and close them during the day to conserve the cool? This does work. I do it all the time.
  • Do we heat our homes to be comfortable when naked or do we turn the thermostat down a couple degrees and wear warmer clothing, slippers, etc?
  • Do we close window coverings at night and open them during sunny days in the winter to take advantage of the sun's heat?
  • Do we wait to combine trips to town in our vehicles or do we insist on immediate gratification?
  • Do we walk or ride a bicycle instead of using our automobile when it is practical? Ten miles per hour is not a difficult speed to maintain on a bicycle so a 2 or 3 mile ride takes less than 15 minutes and it's much healthier.
  • Do we use public transportation or carpool when it's available or do we insist on driving ourselves in our own vehicle?
  • Do close off and avoid heating/cooling unused rooms?
  • Is our home larger than we really need? Here in the US, over the past 50 years, the average family size has decreased from 4 down to about 2.5 while the average size home has increased by nearly double. What does that say about our desire to feed our own comfort and greed?
  • There are many more things we can do to reduce our impact on the environment.
Each of these things by themselves may not seem like much but with roughly 130,000,000 households just here in the US, they can add up to a lot. If each household reduced emissions by just 10%, we would save about 3/4 ton of CO2 emissions per year per household or collectively 97,500,000 tons in US.
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my town ain't bike friendly ,not even the bridges are safe ,save the only one built for them in mind. but after you leave that its risky ,people are too busy on their phones. a1a is the best for that but well where my daughter lives is worse ,30 miles from town on a country road with no shoulders
 
that said ,many work two jobs and have no public transportation and that makes riding a bike to work hard.commuting works if you have neighbors .my jobs don't .
 
Florida ,much like Australia ,even the trees that kwoala trees can thrive here,is nowhere like it was due to subjugation by man ,we wouldn't have won ww2 and or the space race without the state ,aviation history and expiremention is in my state.Miami and curtiss aviation ,diner key and Pensacola and one other go back to ww1 .my city airport and Eddie rickenbacker(eastern airlines). swamps drained for farming ,I can post a plat of my county showing the canals ,oslo
 
WIP said:
It's always someone else's problem or fault, right?
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I have never came to a conclusion that anyone is at fault for global warming , oh my mistake they call it climate change now . Do you ever think about why did it become " climate change " ?
WIP said:
Al Gore might be an easy target for hypocrisy but is it appropriate for us to judge?
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Al Gore is an east target and so is the vast majority of the people that preach to us about saving the earth while they fly around in private jets and drive humvees . Do they even believe that "climate change " is a threat to our way of life ? Their actions speak volumes .
WIP said:
I like how we immediately point our fingers to the wealthy or business owners to resolve this climate issue. Shouldn't we be more interested in looking to ourselves?
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The "climate crisis " is a tool being used to bring about a global enslavement of the masses .

There is no climate crisis, but there is a crisis of climate superstition, fraud, incompetence, and censorship.
 
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I have never came to a conclusion that anyone is at fault for global warming , oh my mistake they call it climate change now . Do you ever think about why did it become " climate change " ?

Al Gore is an east target and so is the vast majority of the people that preach to us about saving the earth while they fly around in private jets and drive humvees . Do they even believe that "climate change " is a threat to our way of life ? Their actions speak volumes .

The "climate crisis " is a tool being used to bring about a global enslavement of the masses .

There is no climate crisis, but there is a crisis of climate superstition, fraud, incompetence, and censorship.
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amen - it is a censored topic though - waiting for new social media platforms where people can post their info and have a 2 way discussion with proofs or lack of proofs to vindicate or incriminate - it's really hard when one side gets erased every time they post something devastating to the msm narrative
 
...oh my mistake they call it climate change now . Do you ever think about why did it become " climate change " ?...
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Ummm, I think basically because, while we know the earth is warming, we cannot be sure what effect that warming will have in all places. Only that the shift will disrupt.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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Ummm, I think basically because, while we know the earth is warming, we cannot be sure what effect that warming will have in all places. Only that the shift will disrupt.

Best wishes, 2RM.
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actually it was because real scientists proved that the earth goes on 500 year cycles of continuous cooling and warming - and when the warming shifted to cooling the alarmists had to say something to keep their ball rolling - the truth is we don't really have any noticeable human effect on this cooling warming cycle - but humans for sure are the ones polluting the air water land - not by eating meat and driving cars but by dumping garbage into landfills and the oceans instead of burning it to ash in closed turbine electricity producing furnaces like germany - letting factories vent pollution into water air land instead of creating closed systems that burn the production and furnace waste to ash - making sewer systems that don't purify the contamination properly and recycle the whole mess back into th drinking water system rather than following germany's example of how to truly purify waste water- etc

the better way to save the air water land soil etc is to investigate permaculture systems - regenerative farming and ranching protocols - etc

germany - israel - and other countries are implementing amazing technology that makes far more sense than the cash cow global climate change alarmists who speak of none of the permaculture solutions - only don't eat meat don't drive cars :shrug :shrug
 
The world is a bit dirty, i mean there is alot of litter garbage around. I find it amazing how litter can have a label on it and for someone reason the owner of that label with there name on it is not responsible for that litter, but if someone tried use that label they would get sued for copyright infrigement because someone owns it. Happy to sell and profit and advertise but not responsible for the mess left behind from there products. Someone else fault.
 
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So COP26 has begun and will last over the next couple of weeks. If you were a delegate, what would your priority to negotiate be?

Best wishes 2RM.
 
permaculture isnt doable on a large scale. that seemed familiar to me and ironic a very old farmstead north of me is facing the wrecking ball. the home is so old that is has its own water tower. there was another that me and my brother used to call the light house that had a three story water tower that was built in 1935 and was a farmer house. he grew oranges and potatoes. there is nothing left of that. sadly i may not be able to get the photos of the one left. that also fascinated me.
 
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