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permaculture isnt doable on a large scale. that seemed familiar to me and ironic a very old farmstead north of me is facing the wrecking ball. the home is so old that is has its own water tower. there was another that me and my brother used to call the light house that had a three story water tower that was built in 1935 and was a farmer house. he grew oranges and potatoes. there is nothing left of that. sadly i may not be able to get the photos of the one left. that also fascinated me.
germany and israel are 2 of the countries doing large scale - i think there are some other countries too if i can remember their names as i just attended a 3 day permaculture symposium - if there is a will (and money) there is a way - it would take a major overhaul of some things but if it saves the soil air water it is a great investment in the future -
 
Wonder how many carbon credits this is ticking up.

lol - afraid to even ask
 
Wonder how many carbon credits this is ticking up.

Hmmm, I am no volcanologist but It does strike me that the amount of carbon released by an eruption may be less than one thinks. Carbon is largely released into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels: coal, oil and gas. Volcanoes are about molten rock which may have little to no carbon content.

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
germany and israel are 2 of the countries doing large scale - i think there are some other countries too if i can remember their names as i just attended a 3 day permaculture symposium - if there is a will (and money) there is a way - it would take a major overhaul of some things but if it saves the soil air water it is a great investment in the future -
would you think that is real with its mass size of Brevard county would ,population not even half of my state have year round oranges and seasonal fruits .
you can't feed and produce in mass .look I read up on it .Florida ,we pionored oranges ,pineapples ,where I go to church was once a pineapple plantation a blight ,plus freezes killed that all.from Jupiter to the cape was all pineapple ,it had mixing in of oranges ,now good luck finding Florida oranges from my county .I slept and went to school smelling orange blossoms ,sub 32 degree kills citrus and bananas and pineapple .
tomatoes can grow here ,I also have visited organic farms .here's the thing ,unless you suggest as it was ,my state drain swamp ,where I live was a swamp . it was drained to make a farms,homes.
122825054_10223550866185795_1944841973258342876_n.jpg that's my grandfather in law.the lateral a reference is a canal to drain land and feed agriculture.

I grew up on seasonal fruits ,no oranges,juice in winter! it was processed and frozen if you did get it.
 
would you think that is real with its mass size of Brevard county would ,population not even half of my state have year round oranges and seasonal fruits .
you can't feed and produce in mass .look I read up on it .Florida ,we pionored oranges ,pineapples ,where I go to church was once a pineapple plantation a blight ,plus freezes killed that all.from Jupiter to the cape was all pineapple ,it had mixing in of oranges ,now good luck finding Florida oranges from my county .I slept and went to school smelling orange blossoms ,sub 32 degree kills citrus and bananas and pineapple .
tomatoes can grow here ,I also have visited organic farms .here's the thing ,unless you suggest as it was ,my state drain swamp ,where I live was a swamp . it was drained to make a farms,homes.
View attachment 13087 that's my grandfather in law.the lateral a reference is a canal to drain land and feed agriculture.

I grew up on seasonal fruits ,no oranges,juice in winter! it was processed and frozen if you did get it.
i see what you are saying - i guess i was thinking more of the sustainability and protection of the air water soil than the point you are making - i do agree with your point though
 
Hmmm, I am no volcanologist but It does strike me that the amount of carbon released by an eruption may be less than one thinks. Carbon is largely released into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels: coal, oil and gas. Volcanoes are about molten rock which may have little to no carbon content.

Best wishes, 2RM.
I did a little digging and found some information in an article submitted to Forbes.com by Ethan Siegel, dated June 6, 2017, titled How Much CO2 Does A Single Volcano Emit? Here are a few highlights I've quoted from the article.
  • Every volcanic eruption that occurs on planet Earth is full of pollutants. Not just ash and dust, mind you, but also carbon dioxide: one of the strongest greenhouse gases on our planet.
  • Humans emit around 29 billion tons of CO2 each year: a little less than 1% of present atmospheric CO2.
  • Mt. Etna is not only a classic example, it's one of the most reliable volcanoes of all. If anyone ever bets you, "which major volcano do you think might erupt this year," bet on Mt. Etna.
  • We can measure the degassing of Mt. Etna extremely well, and find that it adds about 16,000 tons of CO2 to the atmosphere each day, or 5.8 million tons per year. This might not sound impressive, but it's only one volcano.
  • Interestingly, it's not just smoking, actively erupting volcanoes that emit CO2, but seemingly inactive volcanoes around arcs and rift zones. Persistent degassing still occurs around a great number of volcanoes worldwide, on a continuous basis.
  • A tremendous synthesis of information took place in 2013, revealing our best value yet for the total amount of CO2 emitted from natural release events within Earth. They found:
    • 33 measured degassing volcanoes emit a total of 60 million tons of CO2 per year.
    • There are a total of ~150 known degassing volcanoes, implying (based on the measured ones) that a total of 271 million tons of CO2 are released annually.
    • 30 historically active volcanoes are measured to emit a total of 6.4 million tons of CO2 per year.
    • With ~550 historically active volcanoes total, they extrapolate this class of object contributes 117 million tons per year.
    • The global total from volcanic lakes is 94 million tons of CO2 per year.
    • Additional emissions from tectonic, hydrothermal and inactive volcanic areas contribute an estimated 66 million tons of CO2 per year, although the total number of emitting, tectonic areas are unknown.
    • And finally, emissions from mid-ocean ridges are estimated to be 97 million tons of CO2 annually.
I've added up the numbers from the article shown above. From 150 known degassing volcanos - about 271M tons. From 550 historically active volcanos - about 117M tons. From volcanic lakes - 94M tons. From tectonic, hydrothermal and inactive volcanic areas - 66M tons. From oceanic ridges - 97M tons. Total of 645M tons annually.

According to this, human activity adds about 45 times more CO2 than the combined sources mentioned above.

There is something else we need to consider. Without burning fossil fuels, wood, and so forth we would be walking from place to place and not cooking our food or heating hour homes or manufacturing anything including the computers we are using to communicate on this website. But even with that, we would emit CO2 every time we exhaled and eventually expired (died).

The real questions is how do we do what we do with minimal impact on our environment and the answer involves every one of us, not just the corporations or what we define as wealthy persons.

Edit: I missed one of the numbers so I've updated the math above. My apologies.
 
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Below is what I have found. You can do the math​
Globally, crude's reserves-to-production ratio has hovered between 40-55 years. (Then the well runs dry)
https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczq
https://tinyurl.com/yd7cfczqv

The above is saying, all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned within 40-55 years.

What so many people fail re realize is the there are two (2) dynamics going on here
which on the surface seem unrelated which is our biggest mistake

World Oil Reserves
1,650,585,140,000 barrels

47 years of oil left
(at current consumption levels)
World Oil Statistics - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

This means, at current consumption all the known oil reserves will be sucked up and burned in 47 years.
Which means that the world’s major energy source will not be able to meet demand in 20+/- years.


If the world acts now to gradually switch from oil to renewables the transition will a peaceful one. If we do not do this, a world global fight will occur to control what oil is left. This will lead to WW3 which in itself will burn up what is left.

This may not concern you because you will not be around then; but your grandchildren will !!

Fighting climate change and discovering new renewable energy resources are fighting to achieve the same thing. The survival of the human race.

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?

I think it is time for us to look around at other countries who see the end of oil around the corner----------------

China plans ban on petrol and diesel cars

China looks at ending sales of gasoline cars

China to ban all petrol and diesel cars

China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020 | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ion-into-renewable-fuel-by-2020-idUSKBN14P06P

(a Berlin-based think tank) and Clean Energy Wire (an associated communications team) announced that renewable electricity “probably” covered more than 90 percent of power demand at 58 GW for a couple of hours on Sunday. https://tinyurl.com/mm9zkt7

People are cutting the use of fossil fuels and learning how to use renewables when in fact at current consumption rates the world well suck up and burn all known reserves in 40-50 years.

Then what?
note: if I repeat this in another energy related forum I am not spamming!!
 
My stance is this.....
If we do all we can to better the planet and ecosystem, and it turns out the planet isn't dying..... we still did a good thing and it wasn't a wasted effort. God set us up as stewards of the Earth, it's our job to treat it well.

All that said, if we are indeed killing the planet, it's not us common folk who are doing it. It's corporations, billionaires, and the powers that be. Change has to happen on their end, anything the common people do won't be much.
 
Humans exhale carbon dioxide, breath in oxygen.
Plants exhale oxygen an breath in carbon dioxide
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This is true but now we're beginning to cover acreage by the thousands with solar panels, reducing the amount of land suitable for growing the needed plants. This along with our larger homes, roadways, parking lots, shopping centers, manufacturing plants, etc. combine to make it even worse.
 
All that said, if we are indeed killing the planet, it's not us common folk who are doing it. It's corporations, billionaires, and the powers that be.
Not alone they aren't. You have/want/need a job, right? You drive to that job, right? You travel from place to place, right? You cook your meals, right? You heat your home, right? You cool your home, right? You take showers, right? You use lights, right? You buy clothing, right? You buy and consume food, right? You decorate your home, right? You buy/use cosmetics, right? And the list goes on. Do you live your life specifically and purposely to make the least impact on our environment as possible?

Each of these things I mention above, you may say, "Well, my little bit isn't much." You would be correct but little bits add up to a lot. Ever hold a kernel of corn or wheat seed in your hand? By themselves they don't weight much. In fact, they weigh so little, you can't distinguish their weight in your hand. Yet, fill a bushel basket with either one and it will weigh approximately 60 pounds or 8x the weight of an average newborn baby.

The current population of the world is about 7.8 billion with 330 million in the US. Each of our little bits add up to lots. We demand the products those corporations produce, which is why they exist at all, and we are willing to pay plenty for those products, which is why some are able to generate great wealth.

Each of us carries part of the blame, just as James wrote with regard to the law, "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." (James 2:10 NKJV)
 
Not alone they aren't. You have/want/need a job, right? You drive to that job, right? You travel from place to place, right? You cook your meals, right? You heat your home, right? You cool your home, right? You take showers, right? You use lights, right? You buy clothing, right? You buy and consume food, right? You decorate your home, right? You buy/use cosmetics, right? And the list goes on. Do you live your life specifically and purposely to make the least impact on our environment as possible?

Each of these things I mention above, you may say, "Well, my little bit isn't much." You would be correct but little bits add up to a lot. Ever hold a kernel of corn or wheat seed in your hand? By themselves they don't weight much. In fact, they weigh so little, you can't distinguish their weight in your hand. Yet, fill a bushel basket with either one and it will weigh approximately 60 pounds or 8x the weight of an average newborn baby.

The current population of the world is about 7.8 billion with 330 million in the US. Each of our little bits add up to lots. We demand the products those corporations produce, which is why they exist at all, and we are willing to pay plenty for those products, which is why some are able to generate great wealth.

Each of us carries part of the blame, just as James wrote with regard to the law, "For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all." (James 2:10 NKJV)
Exactly. I would say the largest contributors are regular people--"need" for the latest tech and latest fashion; bigger is better. Industry is driven by consumers and our love of material things knows no end. Not to mention, there are things that can and should be done by regular people in other ways--think Passive House (https://www.phius.org/what-is-passive-building/passive-house-principles)--but people don't want to pay the money to do them. It shows that people really are only concerned about the environment insofar as it costs them very little. But true concern should make people willing to sacrifice.

To get rid of oil is going to cost billions, if not trillions. While gas powered vehicles will still exist for a long time, the push for EVs, which aren't nearly as clean as is often suggested, will require significant infrastructure upgrades to every home, on every block, in every city. To do this will require a significant amount of oil and coal--along with the mining and production of all else required--to produce the cables and infrastructure necessary to allow for the significant increase in electricity that would be needed. Many states and cities still struggle with rolling brownouts, do they not? I don't see how there could be any way they could handle even 25% of homes having an EV.

I'm all for reducing oil and gas consumption, but we will almost certainly never be rid of our need of it. Hopefully someone can come up with revolutionary battery technology (which Musk/Panasonic may have more or less just done), which can both be produced using less environmentally harmful methods and be able to store significantly more charge.
 
This thread is your chance to say what you think about the current debate around climate change and global warming, as COP26 gets ever closer.

Okay....

I already realize what the retort from the board is going to be, but since you asked, I will say it: our hope is in the science. Yes yes, I know, I put my faith in science and not in God, I'm going to Hell, all that. :rolleyes God is the creator of science, of the laws of nature, and He gave us this world to explore and to understand. We've basically taken this Christmas present God has given us, and trampled on it and trashed it. And yes, while technically God did give it to us, what we have done is disrespectful. What's more, we have more than a few people saying if we DON'T trash it, then we aren't putting our faith in God, that we're into all this bizarre Mother Earth stuff, all that. That's ridiculous.

All this work to be carbon-neutral, to conserve, and stuff is well-meaning, but a few prideful individuals always come along and undermine the whole thing. What we need is research. Higher efficiency wind turbines and solar. Carbon recapture. Batteries. Photovoltaic building materials. Superconductors. Find ways to make green methodology economically profitable, so even the greedy and don't-give-a-flip-about-the-planet will be okay with it. Why is it that all our roofs are made up of shingles comprised out of petroleum, when the whole point is to insulate our homes? Capture the doggone heat and use it for electricity. Not one roof in the First World should not be either solar or greenery.

Now that we have electric vehicles, we should have lots more tunnels. The reason we don't like tunnels is because cars emit a lot of fumes; not so anymore. Raise the ground level over the roads, and let the wildlife roam free.

Bill Gates' idea to put a huge reflective sheet out in space is not a bad one. He's the one with the proven track record of making far-out ideas work. But we can't pursue that because people are determined to smear him as part of some evil world order. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that having order in the world is evil, and to beat climate change, order is pretty much exactly what you need.

Superconductor research has tremendous potential against climate change. Superconducting computers basically consume NO electricity. That's 25% of our national grid, right there. All the energy you spend is to refrigerate it. Which leads to the next thing: climate control. Superconductor research leads to better climate control; better insulation. Less air conditioning and heating. Magnetically levitating trains, which would be really fast and really low-energy.

Ways to neutralize radioactive waste. We emit so much carbon simply to transport the fuel itself. Nuclear power does not have that problem. Its problem is, it leaves waste. If fusion reactions could simply produce elements with very short half-lives, your waste would no longer be radioactive and may even have other uses (hafnium carbide? Yes please. That can make spaceships).

Now, for the spiritual side. Humanity needs to band together and fight a common enemy: our failing planet, which we caused. And not fight each other. In the end, it all comes down to the same thing it always has: turn from your sin, and you will be saved. It will take dramatic changes in our society, trillions of dollars, but we can't do it because so many people like to have their behinds kissed begging them to admit that climate change even exists. Thus, the problem--as always--is not really about the climate. It's the people.
 
Exactly. I would say the largest contributors are regular people--"need" for the latest tech and latest fashion; bigger is better. Industry is driven by consumers and our love of material things knows no end. Not to mention, there are things that can and should be done by regular people in other ways--think Passive House (https://www.phius.org/what-is-passive-building/passive-house-principles)--but people don't want to pay the money to do them. It shows that people really are only concerned about the environment insofar as it costs them very little. But true concern should make people willing to sacrifice.
Thanks for the link ! Subsoil heat exchanger intrigues me , but my property is almost solid rock . With what we now know all houses should be built to save energy !
To get rid of oil is going to cost billions, if not trillions. While gas powered vehicles will still exist for a long time, the push for EVs, which aren't nearly as clean as is often suggested, will require significant infrastructure upgrades to every home, on every block, in every city. To do this will require a significant amount of oil and coal--along with the mining and production of all else required--to produce the cables and infrastructure necessary to allow for the significant increase in electricity that would be needed. Many states and cities still struggle with rolling brownouts, do they not? I don't see how there could be any way they could handle even 25% of homes having an EV.
A lot of good points and we hear very little of this spoken of in the news or Green Deal info .
I'm all for reducing oil and gas consumption, but we will almost certainly never be rid of our need of it. Hopefully someone can come up with revolutionary battery technology (which Musk/Panasonic may have more or less just done), which can both be produced using less environmentally harmful methods and be able to store significantly more charge.
I am really concerned :pray that people could be freezing in their homes this winter . Free you and the others that live in the colder climate are the ones that could be in the crosshairs . Propane reserves are 25% low this year .
 
Thanks for the link ! Subsoil heat exchanger intrigues me , but my property is almost solid rock . With what we now know all houses should be built to save energy !

A lot of good points and we hear very little of this spoken of in the news or Green Deal info .

I am really concerned :pray that people could be freezing in their homes this winter . Free you and the others that live in the colder climate are the ones that could be in the crosshairs . Propane reserves are 25% low this year .
I've visited a couple of passive houses in my city and they were fantastic. They use very little energy from the grid. There is a saying that you can heat them with a hairdryer. Not to mention that if built properly, they require far less maintenance than regular builds and have significantly higher mold and fire resistance. Pretty much everything is beneficial about them.

There are also buildings that are Passive House certified, even a car dealership in my province. As a society, we need to move in this direction--use far less energy--even if financially there is little benefit. We need to do it simply because it is the right thing to do as stewards of God's creation.

As for subsoil heat exchange, I've only been in one house with geothermal and that was this past summer. I didn't realize that such a system can also remove heat and provide cold air, and it was cold--as good or better than a/c. The same system provides heat in winter and a/c in summer at far cheaper cost of operation. It's rather brilliant.
 
new and houses ,something about history of the older breathing better

dog trot homes is one of the best .none locally that I have a perfect example ,a close example of one I do ,these were common in Florida .my wife's grandmother lives in one ,all 13 of them .
 
the problem with cobb housing on a large scale is land would have to be moved,I can post history of what clearing does and the amount of wild life killed in my county alone its sad


who am I to discourage or judge another for his desire to own the latest ?

we don't recycle by toss these eco friendly appliances ,years ago you kept a Maytag and gave it to your kids and it still ran now they get 4 years if lucky.

my great aunt had a 65 Maytag and the only reason my uncle got rid of it was the bucket rusted out .that lasted 40 years !

in not a fan of consumerism but we have hearts of lust . good luck trying save the eaetc.early hotels in Florida when overwhelmed used tents for those waiting for their new paid for home to be built ,there weren't mortgages in the early 1900s ,cash only .
 
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