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Are you taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Wearing the right shoes, and properly clothed spiritually?
Join Elected By Him for a devotional on Ephesians 6:14-15
https://christianforums.net/threads/devotional-selecting-the-proper-shoes.109094/
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What about the Ministration of Death gives life?
Eugene is correct in that the Law is a ministration of death, but one must be cautious not to take that too far. Romans 7 also speaks of the place of the Law. The Law is a ministration unto death... Romans 7:10 "and the commandment, which was unto life, this I found to be unto death:" On the... -
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What is Election?
Well, if you want me to continue with the context, let me know, I will quit for now. -
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What is Election?
Here comes the clincher. In the next section Paul asks rhetorical questions based upon his concept of a genetic spiritual Israel within genetic Israel. Two rhetorical questions are asked. Here is the first. Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. Is... -
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What is Election?
cont.... Rom 9:9 For this is a word of promise, According to this season will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. Paul spoke of promises in Romans 9:4-5 and here illustrates the kind of promises, but also directly illustrates the principle in verse 6 and how the promises apply to the saved or... -
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What is Election?
MAJOR TOPIC ------ Romans 9:6 Rom 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel: * Lets take this in two parts. First, Paul says it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. To actually understand what Paul... -
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What is Election?
Butch5, Well, its time for me to fulfill a promise. I repeatedly asked you to do something that was only logical. You make claims about Romans 9, but refused to go through Romans 9 verse by verse and demonstrate the internal consistency of the chapter around your proposed theme. Now, I will... -
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What is Election?
Butch, I apologize for one thing. When I asked you to admit you cannot put Romans 9 together and then offered to put it together if you admit it, I was wrong in doing that. I think the next step should be for me to go line by line in Romans 9 myself and demonstrate how the context is related... -
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What is Election?
Butch, I really have no problem understanding what your saying. It is boringly simple. Your trying to establish that Romans 9 is about the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant to the exclusion of any soteriological issues. I have agreed that the material is related to the Abrahamic, but not... -
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What is Election?
If you trying to prove that the context of Romans 9 is not about salvation do you realize you might have to deal with the context of Romans 9. Is it a difficult concept that Romans 9 is about the context of Romans 9? I am not protesting you going to other contexts, but do you understand the... -
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What is Election?
Butch, it is painfully obvious that many parts of the scriptures relate to the Jewish people. There are even aspects of Romans 9 related to the Jew. I have never said otherwise. So in going all over the Bible (and oddly enough avoiding a verse by verse exegesis of Romans 9) you still have not... -
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What is Election?
Butch, I do not know how to say this without being blunt, but Paul is not addressing Jewish believers only from Chapter 2 to Chapter 11 because of one reference in 2:17. That is simply not exegesis, or contextual. When I asked you to do this.... "Concerning Romans 9, can you demonstrate the... -
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What is Election?
You keep mentioning that Paul was addressing, so let me make sure of your assertions. Paul was writing to the "Romans" and there were no gentiles in that Church so he was addressing Jews only? And what is your evidence? Concerning Romans 9, can you demonstrate the context and show how each and... -
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What is Election?
In Romans 9, Paul is not addressing Jews only. Otherwise he would not have said.... "24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?" If words have meaning (and they do), and especially the word "Gentiles" in that verse, then Paul is not addressing the Jews... -
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What is Election?
I read the sermon and must ask how Spurgeon is saying Calvinists think infants are going to hell. Here is a quote from the sermon you posted. "Before I enter upon that I would make one observation. It has been wickedly, lyingly, and slanderously said of Calvinists, that we believe that some... -
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What is Election?
Deborah, If I am reading you right, your saying that the ones who already behold the Son, and believeth on him, that once a person does that, God will draw them? If I am misreading you, let me know. If that is correct, how would you read verse 44 where the drawing is mentioned? 44 No man can... -
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What is Election?
LOL, that would certainly be an interesting discussion. -
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What is Election?
First, thank you for asking questions concerning the text. That is of course exactly what a Christian should do, we go to the text. Concerning the text...... The first thing to address in verse 44 is the phrase "and I will raise him up on the last day." The phrase is actually found three... -
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What is Election?
The real test is of course the scriptures. So is your statement above the same as how ivdavid alluded to you by saying your idea is that "faith" is completely given by God out of grace, which man has to then choose to receive by "believing?" In a way, this sounds exactly like classic Westeyan... -
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What is Election?
Hmmm, I had not picked up on Jethro making a difference between faith and believing. Your also right in that I was using the terms in an interchangeably. I have not been following the thread quite as closely lately [edited by Staff] Also, as you say, the verb "believing" (pisteuo) is the... -
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What is Election?
Deborah, certainly this is a key text. If I can add some information to what you say.... I apologize in advance for how technical it is, because it involves greek grammar. Yes, I have been trained in the use of the greek NT. I am not the best student, and I am a stranger, so of course this...