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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Trench is mainly contrasting the verbs λαλεῖν and λέγειν which are the infinitive forms of the verbs λαλέω and λέγω (both have the literal translation to speak), he throws in a whole heap of latin and hebrew words which are unhelpful. any word in this discourse starting in λαλ, means λαλέω and...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    and yet also felt the need to put a disclaimer in the footnotes that show that they took seriously what you are dismissing outright; and the GNT footnote is more substancive than the generalization that is presented in most English versions, and also highlights the point that while it is...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    no. women means women....... um......... its like masculine words for people are used as default and the feminine words for people are used only when the people are specifically female. Im not sure how you want to respond?????? This isnt my opinion, its not even controversial, its not...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Carlos, I agree with a lot of your objections, I thought I stressed it enough in my post; though without textual critics how would we know what to do with the many different variations in texts? They are the ones who give us the bibles in English we have today and the evidence you readily...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    There is a bit of 'fudge factor' here. There are (of the top of my head) at least 5 greek words that mean 'speak' and they all seem to be used to denote specific types of 'speaking', the verb used here usually means 'informal speaking' as apposed to 'formal speaking' I havnt discussed this...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    In early church tradition most "churches" where small gathering in peoples homes, it was very rare to find ALL the church gathered together. And anyway 14:34 does not say, when all the congregation gets together, rather it gives us a specific place...... In the churches. It does not suggest a...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Hi everyone, Ive been silent in this topic for a few days because Ive been debating whether or not to post a few points on this I have been researching, I hesitate because too much can be read into them, and need to be treated with a high level of skepticism. This one point I a going to be...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    A general critique, (sorry list of assumptions) of the passage 1 Corinthians 14:29 - 40 All references ASV 1. Vrs 31 Why would Paul command 'all' to prophesy, one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted, and then directly contradict it the very next verse? Clearly a plain view of...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    on assumptions, I think there are educated assumptions or there are unbased assumptions, I dont like the word assumption because it imlies unbased. I have an opinion and I guess assumption, but it is not unbased and that is what I am trying to show.Would you see your position as a matter of...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Im doing Masters study in divinity. All the exegis subject for this study are in Greek, so as far as credentials. I'd say I am MILES away from being a bible translator as it isn't my major. This level of study gives me the knowledge to be able to critique bible translations and translators...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Carlos I want you to hypothesis for a second that Paul actually wrote for Women to not be disruptive. with that frame I am going to address your concerns, not as an attack, but to let you know where the other sides thinking comes from I would argue that when Paul mentions submission it is as...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Carlos Thankyou for posting that, it is good to see how my posts are being interpreted : ) I agree that Greek shouldn't be bandied around as a magic wand and yet I believe it shouldn't be ignored either. I spend a lot of time with my Greek definitions on this forum, I don't just make them...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Webb I can point out to you places where every translation falls short. Part of the benefits of knowing Greek is that I can refer to the original texts, and compare them too the different translations we have. My understanding of the verse in question is based on my reading of the...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Paul never gives is the impression in verse 2 that he is further addressing the work. It is one sentence and the subject does not change. He is continuing to refer to the Corinthians as those who are called to be holy like everyone else who calls Jesus their lord, and ours. This is better...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Sigh. Why is lukes letter to Theophilus called acts, and Paul's letter to the Corinthians called Corinthians? Because they are written using different genres. Corinthians is from the occasional letter genre, this is clearly evident by the litery techniques that Paul uses. It is clearly...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    And I also share Paul's sentiment, that every place calls upon Jesus as their lord. But this message is still directed at you Webb. And Paul's letter was still addressed to the corinthians.
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    1 corinthians 1:2 The letter is addressed to them. The rest of 1 indicates that this letter is to provide the church with advice to a number of problems. Context is very important in how we interpret these passages. For example I could write: It is essential for the demons to dominate...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    I was actually referring to the verb itself not its definition. Well, no. Because it is actually what Paul said. It only contradicts your beliefs. Your getting people mixed up. I'm woodlandapple And I have explained in detail to show what the text is saying, and why it is translated the...
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    Women are to be silent when the Church assembles!

    Hi Carlos, Im glad you agree Im correct in my use of σιγάω It means my Greek bible is right ; P Please, I am not trying to show disrespect here, It is hard to discuss Greek grammer with someone who doesnt understand Greek. Keeping that in mind it is not accurate to talk about the verb σιγάω...
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    Girlfriend's dad gets involved?!?!

    A girl is under her families authority until she gets married, the head of the family is her father. very simplistic and can sometimes conflict with some of the demands of the independent culture western society has. From a biblical perspective, you should welcome your Girlfriends fathers...
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