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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    Here's the catch, guys. You are all presuming that a man CAN make a choice for the good of his own salvation without the divine intervention of the Creator! That is not something that can be done! If you guys are willing to wait until tomorrow, or later tonight when I get home from work, I...
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    Texas man catches child rapist in the act, kills him.

    What would be Jesus' response to this? What if Jesus walked into a room and found this man raping that 4 year old girl? :chin I think the initial assessment would be "Well He'd kill him with a lightening bolt or something! Yeah..." But in a quick matter of time that would be dismissed as silly...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    Gonna blame that on Google's word correction tool... ;)
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    Hate to do this to you Ernest, brother, but... How can there be free will if you admit that God already knows how you are going to react? Doesn't seem like those are compatible things: human free and Divine Omnipotence.
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    NO HELL?

    Although I find this talk of some delight, not in the nature of Hell, but in a very Biblical and rooted discussion on Hell, I do fear that this conversation cannot be properly complete without talking about Romans 11:22. Fire and brimstone and destruction is all great and dandy but it doesn't...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    :clap Truth! If a blinding light fell upon Richard Dawkin and he saw Christ come to him from heaven and say "Why do you persecute my people?" And then he was promptly struck blind he too would do whatever God asked of him, not because of his previous desire to please God, but because HE WOULD...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    Interesting, Hawkins! But as I read through the last two pages (and I am sorry for not responding. The other day I went to pray before going to bed and realized that I had spent my entire day on the computer and though I thought I was in the Word, I was enjoying myself in a rather idolatrous...
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    How To Idenify FALSE Teachers!

    Why do I always feel insulted when I try to contribute to Elijah's topics?
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    What year was Jesus Born

    Not to demean the conversation, I am truly intrigued, but I do have to wonder, does it really matter when He was born or when He died? I am curious if there are things that can be learned from His exact birthday? Or is a rough estimate enough to get a taste for the culture?
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    Playing the God Card

    "I the prophet Ian pronounce that tomorrow shall be called "Thursday", for the Lord has told me such in an vision!" ;) Couldn't resist, I gotta start my record of positive prophecy somewhere... That's a good point though. Measure their words against their history. Hard if you don't know...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    Wonderful! OK, until I can get a chance to actually do some real looking (as to be honest I didn't take much time to give that response) I will remove my answer and give Ernest this for an answer, as it seems that it applies just as much, logically, to his improper use of that passage as it does...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    I must be quick, like I said, work is calling! First, praise God! You have a home to call your own now? How awesome! Second, it's funny, as I was writing and then reading I felt my thoughts concluding that there is a middle ground, and I have an inkling as to what it is. It's actually...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    First post is for Ernest, my comical brother! :yes I am in agreement on your first post, though I didn't want to get into this topic because it is, like I said, a hotly debated topic, and I am glad you didn't get into the finer details of whether or not Jacob and Esau is a ref. to individuals...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    OK, I see two good questions here! Now the first is one I will only speak to in short, because it has no concern on the topic of freewill, and so I do not wish to clutter this topic with things that are not about freewill and predestination. That being said, I will quickly address Former...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    I think you may have understood my last post. I meant it in jest, an attempt to understand the predestine doctrine, and the mind that believes it (such as this one), through a free will light. That being said, you did raise some points of note and I will speak on them... EDIT: And I do...
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    NO HELL?

    I have not done any study on it, though I have some speculation as to the answer (from a general knowledge), but the question does come to mind, not so much from my own doubt, but from an anticipation of what others have and will say... The question is: Why does the OT not speak of hell in...
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    What year was Jesus Born

    Now I am not an astronomer, but I did take a class in it (which thus makes me an expert :D ), and I seem to recall (from both the class and knowledge gathered over the years from books and TV) that astrological events only occur every so often and usually with a great number of years in between...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    See, humor! And a tough one to follow up... Freewill means to have a series of choices and to pick only one of them without any intercession or outside influence. This would mean, at the most essential and basic level, having to make a choice for Christ without ever reading His book. But when...
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    The Fallacy of Freewill

    :clap And some are predestine to believe in freewill :thumbsup Good to see we have jokers in both camps!
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    How To Idenify FALSE Teachers!

    Just for the unenlightened, like myself, what's wrong with Baptist doctrine? Or do you mean the doctrine of baptism? Either way, could you expand? Also, could you expand on the little quoted bit? How is the teaching of not having freewill the sign of a false teacher? I, myself, would have to...
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