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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    True. I agree. But how does it convict us of our Inability to save ourselves - by showing us our constant failings in trying to keep the law given to us unto life and not curse/death, which is where you seem to probably disagree upon. Did you mean that no law had any provision of life in...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Of course. But they were not blessed because they kept the law - the law was impossible to these too. They were blessed apart from the law through faith. No arguments there. Just drawing attention again to the fact that the law still was impossible to every man who was required to keep it...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    True. But does this alter the flow of argument thus far here? Besides, I simply mention 'law' to denote the 'law of works' - which mankind all over has grasped at in one form or the other.
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    "God doesn't ask someone to do something and not give them a way to do it" - that's the crux of what we're discussing. Since you hold that to be totally contrary to the nature of God, no matter what other doctrines are put forth, you would naturally and logically reject them as long as they...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    That seems a tad unfair. I never saw ourselves as bickering - in fact, I thought that line of argument was getting along just fine. I know it's quite easy to veer off topic and get into personal attacks - but that wasn't what was happening, at least as I saw it. I guess with the increase in...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    That would be your claim if you've similarly concluded that God giving the Law was in effect a sham.
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    I guess I agree with most everything you've said. Just so I understand clearly, are you implying that "the idea that the works of the Law could justify" was not from God and was not contained within the Law itself? Because I thought that was a foregone conclusion given the Lev 18:5 Law of works.
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    That would be similar to why God commanded ALL His people the law of works to obey and live(Lev 18:5), when He had No plans to save any of them through the law(Gal 3:21), and when none could possibly obey the law (Gal 3:10). We most probably might - given you didn't address any of the...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Could you elaborate on how you mean this - 1) if you meant the "provision for temporary atonement" as a symbolic foreshadow of spiritual things to come, we're in agreement - but then there still wasn't an effective solution from within the law. (I am not addressing the provisions outside of the...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    This is exactly what is being discussed. I guess my initial concerns are proven right here - there won't be much progress made in discussing whole doctrines such as total depravity etc. until we resolve these specific, more foundational beliefs. I'd say you're detracting from the main point...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    I suppose so. I guess I've been unclear about what exactly I'm driving at with my OP. I'll simply paste a snippet that I'd copied some time ago, which is in opposition to the reformed doctrine of total depravity - "I cannot be UNABLE and RESPONSIBLE at the same time. Consider the legal concept...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    I guess this sums it up well enough. I am in agreement with the rest of your post too. And yes, it is overwhelmingly sufficient a grace - actually a great privilege just to have God reveal Himself to us. He should not further be answerable to our every foolish demand asking Him to prove...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Absolutely true. Perhaps I should've first noted that these questions of mine were purely from an academic perspective and not from one that actually questions or analyses God Himself. I believe God is , that He is perfectly true, righteous, just, loving, sovereign, holy , that He cannot deny...
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    The stumbling blocks of reformed doctrines

    Certain reformed doctrines are still intensely debated - and given the number of locked threads concerning these, I hope we could focus our discussion on simply the roots of the issues. For eg: instead of discussing Unconditional Election as such, we could try more specifically discussing if God...
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    The Five Points of Calvinism

    I find it quite unfair to have an entire post of mine ignored, which sought to negate this very misinterpretation. If perhaps you've missed it, could you go through it again and then we could discuss the points of conflict.
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    The Five Points of Calvinism

    Define this God's act of "drawing" - and I shall state my position on it. Is this "drawing" the act of God calling All people to repent and believe to receive salvation(the universal offer) - or is it the very act of regenerating people by the power of the Holy Spirit(conversion)? If it's the...
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    The Five Points of Calvinism

    It is oversimplification of Paul's writings to simply state - 1. Reconciliation through faith is a choice that we have to make. 2. God doesn't do this choice for us. 3. Therefore, we alone are the causative agents of us making that choice. When Paul has also included the following - 1...
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    The Five Points of Calvinism

    Well, as I've stated earlier, I've not read any of John Calvin's writings and I'm not here to discuss him. I'm here to give an explanation of the faith I have, more specifically why I hold TULIP to be true. So I take your question to be - "how can TULIP conclude that there are babies who died at...
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    The Five Points of Calvinism

    Yes, I agree that is how most would read it - but if these doctrines are indeed true, (and the IF is what we're debating), and if these doctrines themselves do not imply any of the above - then, should the truth be modified to a more palatable form just to avoid what is misinterpretation by the...
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    The Five Points of Calvinism

    Sure. I cannot promise prompt replies though - kindly bear with me. Yes. Without getting derailed by semantics, let me simply state that "free will" seems too ambiguous a term for me to be comfortable with in the context of the unregenerate man. When I read about the abilities(or rather...
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