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    What is Election?

    Could you cite some Scripture which has been so individualized to necessarily give rise to Calvinistic doctrines.
  2. I

    What is Election?

    :agreed
  3. I

    What is Election?

    Yes. You first try and understand the concept of election in the salvation of infants - and then extend the same understanding to adults too. And that's because you believe the same principle of election covers both infants and adults against sin. Now my question was - what if one believed the...
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    What is Election?

    That's an excellent point. But how would you respond to the alternate doctrine which says God simply treats these people "who do not know what they do" differently - and makes provision for them to be saved(through Christ Himself, maybe) without their personal intellectual choice. Essentially...
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    What is Election?

    Could you clarify a couple of your beliefs here - Do you believe in Universalism where each and every human will have eternal life in the kingdom of God? Do you believe in Modalism where the same God takes various forms as Father and Son - but where these are not distinct in themselves.
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    What is Election?

    What exactly constitutes this "drawing of men" ? Since I personally hold this "drawing" to refer to God's regenerative work in man - I'd describe this "drawing" as God taking away the heart of stone and giving him a new heart that now rejoices in God and is readily and irresistibly drawn towards...
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    What is Election?

    A minor point - but I'd disagree with the above 1st statement while I'd agree with the above 2nd statement. The organizer himself cannot in any way impair the capacity of any runner from achieving the expected outcome - while I can accept some other cause(sin) disabling this initial capacity in...
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    What is Election?

    You're right - but observe how your above statement could be misunderstood by some. Say you present very healthy green spinach in your left hand and very colorful candy in your right hand to a little child and ask it to choose any one of them - and the child chooses the candy. Now say you repeat...
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    What is Election?

    This is a critical point in understanding the reformed view. Our logic usually is flawed when it comes to concluding upon such premises. Eg1: When I say, "All tall men were permitted into the room" - a flawed assumption is that the short men weren't. But "Some short men too could have been...
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    What is Election?

    I will address this premise independently - but it would help if you shared what your beliefs are on all this (it always helps to contextualize responses if one knows where the other is coming from). Is the above something you actually would say yourself - or is it a hypothetical question for...
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    What is Election?

    Yes. Like I've stated before on this thread, I believe God decreed some of His elect alone to die at an early age.
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    What is Election?

    We can start with this, not in a debate mode but just a sharing of beliefs mode - where I do not hold the above exactly the way you seem to mean it. That's why I hold the doctrine of federal headship of Adam. Ask yourself this question - if God were to condemn Adam in the eternal lakes of fire...
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    What is Election?

    That's just an unscriptural position your friend was holding on to. The doctrine of election is never meant to be an instructive doctrine - it is merely a passive observational doctrine. So the doctrine of election doesn't instruct man to "get chosen" - it's only a passive observational doctrine...
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    What is Election?

    How can one claim to be fairly evaluating another's belief system when they're essentially saying they don't care about the explanations provided for that belief system? I just stated that God indeed asks man to choose to be regenerated - and I provided a verse from the Bible to support it. If...
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    What is Election?

    Does God give man the choice - Yes. Is it entirely a one-sided act of mercy by God - Yes. Both the above do not take place at the same time - is that too difficult a concept to grasp? Can't you view it sequentially? 1. God gives man the choice(Eze 18:31) => 2. Man messes up the opportunity by...
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    What is Election?

    I agree, this is. I can only apologize from my end - for not backing out earlier when the repetition began. I was only trying to prevent a misunderstood distorted version of my belief system to be wrongly concluded upon as inconsistent just because I'd choose to back out of repetition. But if...
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    What is Election?

    You're asking questions in circles and you consider them pointed - I'm going to try saving more of these repetitive posts by taking the liberty to carry out the discussion on your behalf too. If there's anything specific you'd like to add or edit in the following, I'd consider that as progress...
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    What is Election?

    I hold it true the other way around - When soil is regenerated, there will definitely be growth in it. Specific outward observations are not conclusive, given that there are those with a form of godliness but who are not known by the Lord. Then you have nothing to worry, given we're actually in...
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    What is Election?

    We've gone through this already.
  20. I

    What is Election?

    If you can accept one being a slave to sin, why do you then begrudge one being a slave to righteousness?
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