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    What is Election?

    In Matt 13:14-15 - are the people, in whom Isaiah's prophecy is fulfilled, blind or not? What makes you think there can be Biblical truth apart from Christ [John 14:6]? Cite any instances from the Bible on such occurrences of truth not proceeding from God, as and when you find them. This is...
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    What is Election?

    Where in the Bible do you find such instances of the Word of God being preached without man being held accountable? But wherever the Word of God is preached, isn't that sufficient of man knowing the truth enough to be held accountable? Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by...
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    What is Election?

    Paul too deals with it in Rom 6:15. Hyper-calvinism takes the doctrine of God's sovereignty too far - to then conclude that the preaching of the Gospel itself must be limited to whom they deemed part of the elect, through some evidences they themselves formulated. Spurgeon, in warrant of faith...
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    What is Election?

    No. I've stated my beliefs on this topic in post#580. Are you then of the view that the unregenerate man can obey the Holy Spirit in his unregenerate state itself?
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    What is Election?

    Skipping over what I've already addressed in my previous post, where did I mention "simply receiving" here? I was referring to this "believing/trusting" aspect only as the inevitable consequence of regeneration. Let me rephrase then - I'm saying - "The ability to accept the truth / believe in...
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    What is Election?

    Kindly elaborate on this. What do you mean by one has "to first know the Gospel is true" ? No preaching of the Gospel claims it is false - in fact, it is preached as the Word of God, therein claiming it is necessarily true. If man still chooses to reject it, he cannot hide under the excuse that...
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    What is Election?

    Deborah13, :goodpost Wonderful Post, to be more precise!
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    What is Election?

    You don't have to create your own new definitions to already well-defined words. You can still maintain your distinction between "knowing the Gospel" and "trusting the Gospel" without redefining "faith". Besides, Heb 11:1 doesn't say faith is defined as knowing that something you can't see is...
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    What is Election?

    That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying - "The ability to accept/believe the truth, revealed by the Holy Spirit, is an inevitable consequence of regeneration." So, I do believe that your 1st paragraph of post#592(my point 1 of post#593) captures the presentation of the truth for man to see/to...
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    What is Election?

    Man did have that offer in all that you described in your post#592 - which I confirmed my agreement with as my point 1 before proceeding on to my points 2 and 3 in my post#593. How then have you concluded that my beliefs imply the offer was never made? Aren't "Many called" in my point 1 - which...
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    What is Election?

    Again, clarifying that "in the spirit" refers to being within the spiritual God-nature of man - I'd say it's a misnomer to call it "works of the law" done "in the spirit". The Law pertains to the flesh - hence "works of the law" actually refers to "works of the flesh" which clearly doesn't...
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    What is Election?

    I hold as true, all of your above quote - except perhaps my calling it man's will and not man's freewill. 1. So, we have God using His foreknowledge to know who will believe and who won't by their own will(choosing). This is what I hold to be God's consideration of human will concerning the...
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    What is Election?

    Where have you accounted for God's purposed choice in your last query - and by not doing so, how have you factored in my last response? This is the sequence of steps: 1. God has multiple desires. 2. God purposefully chooses a set of consistent, non-contradictory desires from among the above to...
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    What is Election?

    Assuming "will" here refers to "one's exercising his ability to choose" - I'm saying that God determines who will be led to believe entirely at His own discretion after consideration of every single man's own individual will. Paul refers to all works in the flesh as pertaining to the Law of...
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    What is Election?

    Perhaps I shouldn't have assumed that it was implied in the context of what we were discussing back then. My statements were in response to primarily this from post#556- "God picked a will and a purpose that clearly is not in line with the outcome." I simply showed that God "picks" a...
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    What is Election?

    Concept 1: Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.... Concept 2: Rom 8:5 For they that are after[by] the flesh do mind[are inclined to] the things of the flesh; but...
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    What is Election?

    I was only answering/clarifying your queries on my position - I wasn't setting out to defeat anyone's position. Besides, much of our doctrines overlap - so, we'll have to simply discern the points that we actually disagree upon - but for that, we should understand each other's positions well -...
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    What is Election?

    This is the testimony of the Holy Spirit concerning Christ - this is NOT the same as man being "in the spirit(God-nature)". 1Cor 2:14 makes this difference - the natural man "in the flesh(self-nature)" does not accept the things/testimony of the Holy Spirit - only the spiritual man "in the...
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    What is Election?

    Therefore, The king believes in Christ = The king has faith in Christ = The king holds as true, the sufficiency of Christ to fulfill God's promises on the basis of Christ's own nature and abilities. The king believing certain facts is quite different from the king believing in(having faith in) a...
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    What is Election?

    If he is an unbeliever, it is evidence that he is in the flesh - if he believes in Christ, it is evidence that he is in the spirit. I did - since post#528. I'll spell it out here anyway - Jesus' Desire #1 : This cup passing away. Jesus' Desire #2 : the Father's will be done. Jesus' Final...
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