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    The abomination of desolation

    You missed one important word: This is an angel speaking to Daniel: at that time thy people shall be delivered,every one that shall be found written in the book. Yes, it does say, "everyone," but ONLY every one of a CERTAIN GROUP: Are you part of Daniel's people? So, IF your mother was a...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    No Veteran, the 11th chapter is a MIDPOINT chapter, not an end of week chapter. I have left it right where John put it. But, since you have believed that Paul's last trump (sounded by God Himself) is one and the same as the 7th trumpet (sounded by an angel) no wonder you must move the 7th...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Veteran, your ideas are so goofy, they are funny. 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Where are clouds found? Of course, IN THE AIR. That is the same air we breath, but...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    Please put in list form, the verses at the 7th trumpet, that shows Jesus coming. If you cannot, then please put in list form, scriptures that cause you to believe what is NOT written. (and explain how you believe these scriptures.) Veteran, I already know you have an uncontrollable urge to...
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    are we in the middle of the 6th seal?

    Nadab, what you have said seems obvious, but I must disagree. I see his reign as "god of this world" ending at the 7th trumpet. I believe the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint of the week, AND the end of one Millenium, and the begining of the next, and the end of Satan's reign as god of this...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    I am not at all confused. I guess you have missed about half of the New Testament. God sent Peter and the other 11 to minister to Jews, but the same God sent Paul to the Gentiles. My mother was not a Jew, (or a Hebrew of another tribe), but God is STILL my Father, and Jesus Christ - though a Jew...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    What bible are you using? :confused Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. "Christian" in many versions. Coop
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    Ah!! Yonathan, you are speaking of the church! John was not. And forgive me, I meant to say, from the tribes of Israel, and I wrote Judah, which was only one of the tribes. Certainly, if any, from any of the tribes received Jesus now, it would be as Paul said, neither Jew not Greek, but one in...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    How can you possibly say, not by race, when John TELLS US that they come from the tribes of Judah? Did John waste ink? No, of course not. These are 12000 from EACH tribe. If we could trace their ancestry back; we would find that some come from EACH of the 12 tribes as listed. This is, of course...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    Yonathan, Yes, of course the 144,000 are Jews. But they are NOT a part of those that flee. They are firstfruits, and are raptured to heaven, about the time those in Judea flee because they have seen the abomination. For the Day of the Lord, may I suggest you study Isaiah 2 and Joel 2, and see...
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    The Calling of the 144,000

    I think you are guessing. There are more than one group of survivors: Jesus TOLD people to flee, and flee some of them will, and they go to a REAL place in the wilderness and are protected there. It seems that some will be in captivity in Jerusalem, but are delivered when Jesus comes. A new...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Veteran, : -)))) And I will continue to have problems with that - simply because it was not the intent of the author. Once you see it happen, then you will know. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

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    The abomination of desolation

    Your opinion means nothing unless you can back it up with scripture. Of course, you cannot. It is only a theory. Therefore, I suggest you say, "I believe..." instead of stating this as a true fact. You are about 2000 years off. Who will Christ be ruling? Correct answer: natural people...
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    The abomination of desolation

    When God says the sun will be darkened and the moon turn to blood, we can be SURE these signs will happen. (But not literal blood: He only means blood red.) What if we took your idea of literal things, when it comes to "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved"? No, we do not...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Veteran, you said a mouthfull there!! Preterists are confused. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    Onelove, When Jesus said that not one stone would be left on another, He was speaking specifically of the temple. And that DID come to pass in 70 AD. EVERY stone of the temple was removed, in search of melted gold. And you are mistaken again, for there WILL be natural people on the earth...
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    The abomination of desolation

    You misunderstand me. We cannot tie current events to the book of Revelation until they actually begin happening. Of course I am speaking of future events, in the book, not the history. Why would you think that God would go do such effort and detail, if they are not literal? We can see that...
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    The abomination of desolation

    If you are hinting that we should consider the 3 1/2 years in Revelation as something that happened in the past, you will have to spiriualize MOST of the book. It simply doesn't fit. Next, some research reveals that Revelation was written in 95 AD, AFTER the destruction of the temple. Of course...
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    The abomination of desolation

    I understand. Certainly the Jews of Jesus time, when they heard that term, associated it with Antiochus Epiphanes, and the abomination and desolation he caused. Although Titus did not copy what Antiochus did, he certainly put a stop to the daily sacrifices, and scattered the Jews as nothing...
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