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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    So in your mind, even it John saw a great multitude praising God, and he wrote what he saw, you could not believe it, because God too, has a voice that SOUNDS like a multitude of people. In other words, God's voice has blinded your ability to understand that a huge multitude also has a voice...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    You have GOT to be kidding me! Because God's voice can SOUND like a great multitude, then John is prevented from ever saying he HEARD the sound of a great multitude - many people? What kind of new exegesis is this? ochlos = much people 1) a crowd a) a casual collection of people 1) a...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    It is simply amazing how Veteran ignores the simple wording of scripture in preference to his theories. Rev 2 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit...
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    The abomination of desolation

    This is just pretty simple logic - "horse sense." Isn't it amazing that some are lacking in this area? It is plain and simple: many of the events in Revelation are FUTURE to us: the 6th seal has not been broken, none of the trumpets have sounded, none of the vials have been poured out, and none...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    Veteran wrote This is all myth and human reasoning, not backed up by anything. Christ does not come back at the 7th trump. That is myth. Neither is there ANY "gathering" at the 7th trumpet. Of course Veteran has tried over and over to move the 7th trump to the END Of the week, to chapter 19 -...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    How can VEteran say I forgot? I guess he is so determined to write his theories, he does not read mine. Here is a direct quote of what I just wrote of this subject: quote: Did anyone notice how Veteran attempts to put two verses together, as if they are related, WHEN THEY ARE NOT AT ALL...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    Veteran wrote: I don't omit anything that changes the picture. But to keep things short, I only include what is necessary. First, WHERE ARE THEY when John sees them? 9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    This is a theory that comes only from Veteran's imagination: there is NO verses that show Christ has already come; NONE. There are verses later in chapter 19, that show WHEN Jesus comes; AFTER the marriage. Did Jesus have to have come to earth, to effect any of the trumpet judgements? How about...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    For the readers: This is a theory. It seems everyone that reads Revelation has a theory. It is easy to see what Veteran has pointed out in Isaiah; and indeed, that was common in Old Testament prophecies. However, Revelation is a different book written at a much later time. And what Veteran...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    It is a simple fact that MOST of what John wrote is in the past tense iin the KJV, even speaking of events that are still in our future. It is also a simple fact that John wrote this AFTER He saw the destruction of of the great whore Babylon, and the destruction of all the cities of the world...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    There are no verses that pin it down exactly. But I think it will happen the day Jesus returns to earth. However, it may be a day or two later, for He will certainly be busy the first day. But, in reality, Armegeddon will only take Him a few seconds. So, maybe there will be plenty of time...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    When one feels the need to rearrange John's chronology, or just not pay any attention to it, one could have Jesus coming anytime. But it is a fact that John does not show Jesus on the white horse returning to earth, until AFTER the wedding in heaven. But, it seems Veteran can rearrange...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    Hobie, I am going to make a supposition here: that you can read and have at least some understand of what you read. Hebrews 9 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. This is written in...
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    Is The "he" of Daniel 9:27 Our Lord Jesus?

    Since writing my book on Revelation - perhaps 8 years. Where was Islam at the time of the Wesleys? And where was the Catholic church? That was not too far past the days of Martin Luthor and people being burned at the stake. One thing I can say - the Catholic church has NEVER denied that Jesus...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    Hobie, your problem is, you are trying to make verses relate to the rapture of the church, when they were not about the rapture at all. Was Jesus speaking to Paul when He made this discourse? Of course he was not. Much of what He said was related to Daniel's 70th week. Again, it is not Paul's...
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    What happens at the end when Christ comes.

    Hobie, how can you make such a bold statement? (Especially when it is wrong!) What about the vials of His wrath? Was John mistaken? Coop
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    Is The "he" of Daniel 9:27 Our Lord Jesus?

    I did not coin the "missing week." I just built on it. You are right, if you believe the Beast is the papacy, we will never agree. If you read in the epistles of John about the Antichrist, it is someone who denies the Father AND THE SON. There is a religion today, perhaps 2 billion strong...
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    Is The "he" of Daniel 9:27 Our Lord Jesus?

    I disagree: it is very simple to find a missing week. You can start by finding FIVE mentions of the last half of that missing week. Once the week is found, then, one can find where it was misplaced FROM. The week is easily found in Revelation. And one can easily trace the second half of the week...
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    Is The "he" of Daniel 9:27 Our Lord Jesus?

    Adam, John gave us the second half of the week FIVE TIMES in days, months and times (years). Even a beginning arithmatic student should be able to multipy by two. This is more than "doctrine," it is what is written. More than that, Daniel wrote of this same 3 1/2 years TWICE MORE. So, Adam, HOW...
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    Is The "he" of Daniel 9:27 Our Lord Jesus?

    We cannot try to interpret Daniel 9 by just the book of Daniel - for now we have MUCH more to use. Therefore, when we see so many things written in Revelation that hint strongly of a 7 year period of time, with SO MANY events that have not happened yet, so must be future to us, and some...
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