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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Of course this doctrine does not from any church - it comes straight from the word of God. But the final week should NOT be called "the great tribulation period." It should be called the "70th week." Authors? Try Daniel and John Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    All those scriptures are true, but sorry, they do NOT define the sheep at the judgment of the nations. Just because you find the word "sheep," does not mean two scriptures relate. I can find scriptures of four legged sheep too; but they won't fit either. We must RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word of God...
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    The abomination of desolation

    You are right, "blameless " is the correct word. So, why don't you enlighten us" WHO are the sheep here? They cannot be the church, for at this time they will all have resurrection bodies and will certainly NOT be judged on how they treated the Jews during the 70th week. But WAIT! Since those...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    GT "is not one of the prophetic 70 weeks?" What on earth do you mean? Perhaps a small explanation would have helped. Then we could have "bickered" with it! ;) What many people don't understand is that Jesus NEVER put this "title:" "great tribulation" on either half the 70th week. What He...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Context, my friend. Matt. 22:25 Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother. 26 Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh. 27 Last of all the woman died also. 28 Therefore, in the...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Old covenant saints could be perfect under the law, if when they sin, they do the appropriate sacrifice. But they certainly had to have FAITH in that covenant and in God. I am not saying the remnant will be saved "under" the law. As Paul said, the law came to show us how sinful we are. They...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Re: Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? YES I pretty much agree, except for one thing: how long did Jacob have to work for his TRUE love? If you remember, he agreed to 7 years (ring a bell?) and worked those years, but was given the WRONG WIFE. So he agreed to work ANOTHER 7 years (that...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Why do you pick at nats? Here is a Benjamite called a Jew: Esther 2:5 Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; Here all Hebrews called Jews: Jeremiah 34:9 That every man should let his...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    If it is out of order, it should be EASY to prove that from Revelation itself. But, of course, if that were the case (out of order) you would ALREADY have proved it from Revelation itself. For the readers, since he has NOT proved John's order incorrect, from Revelation itself, we all know it is...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Except that John shows us the two witnesses show up FIRST, about 3 1/2 days before the fleeing. You can find every type in the bible, but that will not change John's God given chronology. However, since the two witnesses DO testify for 1260 days, they will be testifying AT THE SAME TIME the...
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    The abomination of desolation

    From the days of Israel's beginnings, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, to the Law, up to the days of Malachi, as far as we know, NO Gentile made it into heaven. None knew God. REmember in the days of Elijah God had reserved - what was it - 7000 Jews that remained loyal to Him? Someone that visited...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    I agree with you about the nukes. Coop
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    The abomination of desolation

    No, of course not. ANY Jew can be saved IF they believe in Jesus. But the fact, most are SO INTENT on believing their Old Covenant, they cannot even think about Jesus. Thank God, some have believed. But over the centuries, I fear most have ended up in hell. Right; they are against Him, yet He...
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    The abomination of desolation

    Of course you are right - for those IN CHRIST. But sorry, I was speaking of Jews (Hebrews that do NOT believe in Christ. Twist the scriptures as you might, but you CANNOT get them born again and a part of the body of Christ. They are JEWS of the Old Covenant. Please note that their daily...
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    The abomination of desolation

    We have other examples of Old Testament prophecies being out of chronological order. But before I show one, let's example Zec 12 a little more closely: 3And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Just as I thought: make a bold statement; pass it off as TRUTH, with no argument whatsoever. This is almost laughable. And then accuse me of not understanding. If you find such a need to rearrange, then you must have some evidence to back up your rearranging. But, of course you have no...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    Good job finding all those transitional phrases. My point is, if SO MUCH of it IS in numbered order, why would anyone even THINK that the rest was not in order? Second, this is not an Old Testament Prophecy. And there is no reason why it must be written as one. This is a new and better covenant...
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    Will There Be A 7 Year Tribulation? Probably Not!

    If you are going to make a bold statement against logic, then it is up to you to PROVE it. But, since John DID write things chronologically, you will find that extremely difficult. People only find a need to rearrange John's chronology because of preconceived glasses and false doctrine. It...
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    The abomination of desolation

    You are very mistaken: Did the Old Testament saints love God BEFORE Jesus came? Do you DENY that they loved God? What is the first and greatest commandment under the Old Covenant? Matt 22 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord...
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    The abomination of desolation

    What on earth were you trying to prove? OF COURSE they believe they must RUN. But they do NOT believe Jesus is their Messiah, not until they SEE the one they pierced. John 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with...
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